I'll give you Abraham. Law, no. He did not have a positive affect on the team and would not improve the roster if added now. He had a bad attitude, bad conditioning and made bad plays all over. Ten picks from a season's tally of about 15 good plays in 16 games is not star quality. We will not miss him. Mawae was old and done and that was evidenced by his play in the early part of last year. He was not playing anything close to the ability he used to have. He will not be a major loss on the evidence of what he produced in 2005. So, no. I'm not going to be disappointed to have lost Law and Mawae, neither would make this roster stronger, IMO. Others will disagree, but I'm not buying into the fact that these are insurmountable losses. It's not like we'd be playoff contenders by having kept them, is it?
And your point is what??? What does it have to do with all the points I made, why its unrealistic to believe the Jets will win that many games next season. I forgot Mangini was the real reason Patriots won those superbowls. C Pennington going to comeback pre 2002 playoff game against raiders. C Martin going to win comeback player of the year, as he wins the rushing title. Dbrickshaw Ferguson and Mangold instantly make Jets oline the league best. Some Jet outside LB will be the NFL sack leader. Sounds nice but in reality its not going to happen.(have better chance winning lotto)
i dont think were going to be dominant. but you dont go from SB contender to the bottom of the barrel in one yr. sorry, it just doesnt happen. theres plenty of solid building blocks for mangini to work with and with our easy schedule we should win 5-8 games. and im not sugarcoating anything we could be at a 5-8 win season period for the next few yrs before were legit as a "solid" team. lol dont put words in my mouth please, its not my fault you come to a jets site tell people their team wont have any bright spots and not expect a debate. 5-8 wins is fair i say, 8 if were lucky and on the right road 5 if were taking real lumps as a "rebuilding" team. if we win any less than 5 it better be due to injury, because new staff or not growing pains are a given but accountability has been something this team has lacked in the FO and now its time to pony up
what are you on? mawae was so average last year. ty law! oh you mean the guy who had 9 of 10 picks thrown right at him. abraham was the only loss but he was not up to par. against the run he was garbage. get a clue and worry about the raiders cause that team is a joke more than we are.
Your staetement a joke. I have to qoute it again. " i dont think were going to be dominant. but you dont go from SB contender to the bottom of the barrel in one yr. sorry, it just doesnt happen." OH it does happen all the time . 2002 Raiders- 2003 Raiders 2004- 2005 Jets. GO look at teams that were superbowl contenders and fell off the map completely the following year. (Do research and find out how silly that statement was) YEs Jet has some nice players but problems is everyone else has a little more nice players. ITs like every team has question marks for next season, just the good team have way fewer. (Too many questions ) Not saying Jets are not going in the right direction, but there is just too much change going on with Jets, to win more than five games next season. Listen Im not telling you what to believe. You want to believe Jets are going to win potential eight games. Thats your right. That last statement. "if we win any less than 5 it better be due to injury, because new staff or not growing pains are a given but accountability has been something this team has lacked in the FO and now its time to pony up" That sounds like some Herman edwards mumbo jumbo . Sounds nice but what exactly are you expecting.
Jeauxseph, you know that my only problem with you these days is that you speak as though Team Misfit has drafted and implemented the blue print for a champeenship. Where this comes from, I'll never know. If I'm looking for the best predictor of future success (or failure), Jeaux, ewe da man. Just about everything you've ever predicted for your team has been tragically, and dreadfully, wrong. So, I'm sticking with that. It's not so much that I'm betting against the Raiders; it's more that I'm betting ON Raiderjeaux. You've always got to play the streak.
10 Picks is still ten turnovevers.(you might have won alot less than 4 games without those picks) You really think that it so easy to replace that. YEs TY Law is on downside of his career, but he still was better than anyone on your roster and Thats including A Dyson. Your killing Law ,than your going to have a field day with Dyson. Maybe im wrong but didn't mawae have something wrong with his hands(Memory was playing with a cast) before he was lost for season. Thats a big diffrence as Olineman hands are very important. The Titans obviously didn't think his play was that bad as they gave him a pretty good sized contract. Im sorry but Jets have alot more questions on both sides of ball than raiders.
All I can say all streaks eventually come to an end. I love the shape my team roster in, on both sides of ball. Whether its this year or next , the Raiders run is coming again. Unlike the last time , this roster going to be around alot longer. Keep laughing buddy but time is on my side.
Ahh. . . the old I-have-to-get-one-right-sooner-or-later school of thought. How many degenerate gamblers have flushed their mortgage payment down the drain with that one?! In your case, you'll be losing your entire monthly churro and comic book budget. You're going to do it, aren't you?! You're gonna make me dig out your final exam from last year and tack it up on the TGG refrigerator again?!
O hell no!! We are so badly done in these power rankings... I think we should be somewhere in the 20s
Wtf is wrong with these people? Our team was a playoff and AFC championship caliber team in 04, and would've been great in 05 had it not been for injuries. And even if that injury riddled year, we were never ranked that low. So now in a new year, with a great draft, a new coaching staff, and all the other improvements made, how the hell are we that low?!
You obviously don't care to know, because it's been explained on this board dozens of times in the past month.
Nothing ever stays the same , because rosters are constantly changing. Really dosen't matter what you were last year, or the year before. I believe you are being judged on what this year roster looks like. Looking at your roster, there so many questions at alot of positilons(QB , RB, WR, TE, OLBS, CB and where is the passrush going to come from. Even a position like offensive line, that you addressed for the future, its not going to happen overnight, its going to take some time for that group to gell. (reports from coach is those young oline heads are spinning already- wait till defense get alot more complicated) NFL has shown us too that that alot of times just because a team .looks like garbage on paper (wasn't ranked high), means that will be the case, when the games are played. JUst in Jets case, i don't think percentages are in there favor of supprising. Here what I mean. Every NFL team has questions that must be answer for them to be winners. Just that very good teams have way fewer than very bad teams. NOt only would Jets have to answer all those questions, learn two new schemes on both sides of ball and but alot of young players would have to supprise. (when you rely on that much youth , they are going to make mistakes usually at wrong times) JMO Jets are a five win team next year, but its not about nextyear ,but building for the future.
From a debate point of view you got me, heres my new point, I DONT EXPECT THE JETS TO ROLL OVER LIKE YOUR TEAM!AND ITS NOT LIKE I SAID THEYLL BE IN THE PLAYOFFS! I SAID 5-8 GAMES! 8 IF WERE LUCKY! I think the other point is the general consensus was we needed "much change" going on with an inept front-office and a very lax workout regiment. the coaching staff is in question, but sorry I set expectations. maybe 4 wins a year is satisfactory for you right before the RAIDERS BIG BREAKOUT YR WITH ALL THESE YOUNG STUDS NOBODY KNOWS!!!! like i said,i expect at least 5 wins, and with this schedule if mangini even fits the bill he was brought into fit, he shouldnt have a problem mustering together 5 wins in 16 games. or maybe we should have a "commitment to excellence" and not expect to win more games then when we had over a dozen players on IR? ie. last yr (WHICH WAS A MUCH TOUGHER SCHEDULE THEN WE FACE THIS YR TOO)
Orginal qoute Coach K: From a debate point of view you got me, heres my new point, I DONT EXPECT THE JETS TO ROLL OVER LIKE YOUR TEAM!AND ITS NOT LIKE I SAID THEYLL BE IN THE PLAYOFFS! I SAID 5-8 GAMES! 8 IF WERE LUCKY! Okay that sounds more reasonable. Can't disagrre with anything you just said. orginal qoute from coach K: I think the other point is the general consensus was we needed "much change" going on with an inept front-office and a very lax workout regiment. the coaching staff is in question, but sorry I set expectations. maybe 4 wins a year is satisfactory for you right before the RAIDERS BIG BREAKOUT YR WITH ALL THESE YOUNG STUDS NOBODY KNOWS!!!! Couple points. Okay your former coaching staff and front office were okay when you were a kick away from beating Steelers in 2004. No one knows what you have with your very inexperience coaching and FO. They could be great or they can be the next RIch Kotite. Only time will tell. Ive said it a million times, there no set time table of when it should take you to rebuild. (sometimes happens sooner and sometimes it takes longer- as players sometime need more time to develope) Raiders plan was to rebuild on the fly. It didn't workout as guys they were counting on P Buchanans, Napolean Harris and C woodson- could never stay healthy, weren't up to the challenge. They turn around those bad choices into players ,that are going to help them, get where they want to go. Sure Im not happy with four - five wins the last three years but I see the roster and know its only a matter of time before raiders are back as perenial AFC Big Boys. Like it didn't happen overnight for Gruden,(took three years) , Raiders roster in alot better shape now (extremely younger than last rebuilding job team) and the run might be alot longer. (believe me they are loaded on both sides of ball ) Maybe this is me, I don't want to make playoffs every year and get bounced out in first round. I want to build a team that has has a very good chance to win a superbowl for a couple years in a row. Even if it takes a couple very bad down years to get there. One of the benefits of being really bad is you get some really top players that you probably would not be able if you were just good enough to miss playoffs. Three starters from this draft. SS M Huff, WLB Thomas Howard/ D Bing RG Paul MCQuistan.
Also sometimes it pays to be really bad than to be average. For instance after getting D Brickshaw and Mangold for the oline. What if jets are again picking very high. Could go along way of solving their RB and WR needs. Boom than what looked like sore spot, suddendly looking very good for the future. Dallas cowboys don't become a dynasty without picking early and often.
