I'm fickle! I am against Chad to the max, I can't stand Robertson or Ellis, among others. I was sick of Herman after years of defending him. But this is too far...2 seasons? And some people want to chastise him and fire him because of 1 horrible season? Pathetic.
I'd still give him and the FO one more season and off-season before I start calling for his head. I dont dig him, but he should get at least another year to see if he can turn around this pile of shit season they are having this year.
I think Mangini is a great coach and will only get better with experience. Last year was no flux, the team played well last year, this year is pretty much the same group and for whatever reason or reasons, they did not play well this year, the O-line has been awful, I say keep Mangold, D-Brick and Clement, but get two new guards, the Jets get Thomas Jones and barley used him this year because the line don't block, what a waste of talent, and poor Chad takes the hit for this? That sucks, Chad is still a very good QB and can still lead this team to the playoffs like he always has, Chad is the 1st QB since Ken O'Brien that has been legit, Vinny just had all the right people around him in 98, plus he was old then too so he wasn't going to be a franchise QB like O'brien was and like Chad had become. I don't know if Clemens is a guy to build around, hard to say with this offense this year, when Chad came in he took the offense to a new level that Vinny could not do, Clemens has not done that, I would not pull the plug on Chad yet. As for Mangini, again, even Colin Cowheard said the Mangini/Tennenbaun combo is great, the Jets are one of the best run teams in sports, that's saying alot coming from Colin Cowheard. Keep the faith, the Jets have not been the same ole Jets since 1996, they'll be back next year!
No, I wouuldn't say that. You have every right to criticize Ellis and Robertson and I certaiinly can understand the angst with Chad. My reference was at those that think Mangini should be fired. Any coach or staff or QB is only as good as the rest of the team. Our offensive line stinks and defensively we have let every running back in the league run roughshod over us all year. This has nothing to do with making adjustments, clock management, game planning, or coaching; it has everything to do with personnel, and right now, we fall short in many areas. Mangini deserves the chance to address the obvious needs of this ball club this off-season showing saavy and creativity. If he fails miserably at this, then it is time to criticize to the nth degree.
I agree that Mangini should stay. I've been critical of him this year but a lot of that has to do with the offseason. I was furious with the short-sighted and arrogant dismissal of Kendall (you want to replace him in your line-up, FINE, REPLACE HIM). They never did and the team has paid the price. I think everybody agrees on that now. But, watching the way Mangini has gotten the team prepared the last few weeks (the offense is a shambles but that's personnel issue), I have been reminded of why I loved the Mangini hire in the first place. The Boston papers don't want to give Mangini any credit (they keep blaming the weather entirely), but Eric did a nice job confusing Brady. That kind of innovation is rare. My focus is now back on Tannenbaum, and he's got a lot of pressure. He needs to really hit a home run with the draft pick, whether by trading it or picking a Pro Bowler.
I hate relying on the draft when it comes to the Jets....To me, we have had always good players on this team, but always needed a hard ass coach to coach them. For some reason the coaches become soft when they are here after a year..
He looks like he is in way over his head. He makes no adjustments, and has no track record to make you believe he will a good NFL head coach. His claim to fame was getting people coffee. This is the kind of crap I hate..You have no idea what you are talking about..The three SUPER BOWL rings says he knows something..Belichick made him a DC..Maybe Bill doesn't know anything either..You make a statement backed up by zero facts..
The Jets are near the bottom in most statistical categories. In fact, they're 26th in both offense and defense this season. You know who's worse then the Jets in both categories? The Buffalo Bills... the same Bills that were in the playoff hunt up until this week and the same Bills that beat the Jets twice this year. The injury depleted Bills that were signing dock workers off the street so they could dress a full team. Now THATS a team that has personnel problems, but they still have a shot to get to .500 this season. They started a rookie QB for a good portion of the season as well. When looking at both teams can you still tell me that you believe that Eric Mangini should bear no blame for the Jets current record? A young coach making mistakes isn't a firable offense when he's in his second season at the helm, but the results seem awfully familiar at this point. One good season, one bad season.
It is absolutely not wrong to be mad about it. I was very mad and have gotten passed that after analyzing where we are and what are the true causes of what happened. Once I understood that, my anger left - frustration remained only because I knew we could not conquer the inevitable.
I actually look forward to Sundays so I can't look past anything. I want to win each Sunday, when the don't I am pissed. There is no silver lining.
so explain to me why this coaching staff cant make any half time adjustments this year...we have been in the lead or very close in all of the games this year but two..but in the second half we have gotten blown out buy over 100 points...either the guys are not ready to play or this staff can't make any half time moves..I'm sorry but getting rid of your best guard and replacing him with someone that cant play pop warner ball is beyond me. Or calling that college option play over and over again when you see its not working is also beyond me. I am tired of reading on how bad chad is...I think I have the right to not like Mangini and would like to see him depart this team. There are many times throughout the season that he has made plent of questionable calls that were bordering comical. Please dont feed me all this hype..HE SUCKS!
good point. I never thought Sutton was a good choice for DC. I do not know the OL coach. Wasn't he bounced in Miami or something? I have no gripe with Mangini. I think he realizes he has a horsesh-- team and is trying to make it happen with his calls. Early inb the year he would not do anything, now he is doing stupid things. I will say this. If he does not do major things with this offense, he should go after next year. I am not demanding playoffs or championship games, but this offense has to be "overhauled". It is pathetic, disgusting and boring to the nth degree. If he does not recognize the necessity, or cannot make the changes happen next year, then good-bye.
Some of his decisions have been poor and predictable this year in terms of "playing to win the game", but what I think you have to understand is that the season IS and HAS been over since week 4. Certain plays he calls I think are made more out of a "lets get it right" attitude, then a "damn I hope this works attitude". He is experimenting with "out" concepts like a triple option. People complaining? WHO CARES? This is not deciding whether we make the wildcard or not. He is rotating a lot of personnel in and out to see what we have and what they can do. This team does NOT HAVE THE TALENT to compete head to head. Just like nantz or whoever said, the whole constant shifting pre-snap scheme on defense partially has to do with us just NOT having the talent to win 1v1 matchups against the other team. At least he is smart enough to address this and come up with something that partially works. Our receivers aside from Coles do not have the talent to make plays... hence the quick timing routes ad naseum. Our O line is so pitiful that there is not time to let routes develop... hence the fades ad nauseum. Our O line is also so pitiful that they cannot get any time of push in the run game... hence the sneaks ad nauseam. You can say he called one too many fades or sneaks or out routes but it really makes no difference, this team does not have the talent right now. This is a not a team that you can just make "adjustments" with. How much can you "Adjust" when your Offensive line cannot run block and can only give you 3 seconds in the pocket? I mean seriously? There is a limited amount of stuff you can do. When you cant get any rush on the QB how many "adjustments" can you make? The only reason we were competitive last year is because Mangini had a pretty brilliant gameplan that got the most out of our level of talent and we had an incredible schedule. Like others have pointed out Belichek also had some poor first seasons, and those were with teams that had much more talent on them. What Herm and Bradway left us with was absolutely awful. Mangini is faulted I guess for not re-signing kendall and getting Adelius Thomas or whatever rolleyes but he also drafted Harris and Revis, 2 BIG TIME players which is a lot better than any other team did. The reason this pisses me off is because I wish we could have some patience and not ruin what will be a GOOD THING.
We need to fire all of the offensive coaches - not Mangini. However, if we dont get proper 3-4 personel next season and we stick with the 3-4, I will be pissed.
oh ok, i'm sorry to offend you. Thank you for letting me know when you stopped reading that was vital to the discussion.
I'll elaborate, I should have in the first place. You state that Mangini is smarter then 90% coaches in the league. To bolster you point you'd have me believe that Mangini knew the season was over after 4 week and as such he stopped making coaching decisions that could put us in a position to win games. "Poor and predictable" coaching decisions. Thats part of what makes him smarter then 90% of the coaches in the league?
