Eagles QB Situation vs. Jets QB Situation

You're truly getting desperate, because both RGIII and Cam Newton would still be better than Tim Tebow if they were paraplegic. Rookies lose football games, and Newton has zero offensive talent around him. Those are the facts.

Here is another one; Tim Tebow is riding pine behind a shitty quarterback, and not one team in the league wants him as their starter.

So you can take Tebow's ugly mechanics, low completion %, fierce competitiveness and winning record, all the way to the bench, because that is where he's going to be for a long, long, time. He will never win a starting job anywhere. The only way he sees the field is if the starter in front of him is so shitty, they play themselves out of a job.

 

This has no relevance to whether he can win football games. It's like me telling you your girlfriend is ugly because she doesn't have a modeling contract. The conclusion does not provide evidence for the premise.

 

The difference is Reid ain’t Ryan.

In nearly four years we have never seen Rex consider a QB change. He has had one QB his whole tenure. I don’t think he has the tools to evaluate who should be starting so maybe thats a good thing.

But Reid wont play around.

People forget Reid benched Mc Nabb for the backup twice during Mc Nabbs career. With Reid its produce or sit -as it should be.

 

Cam Newton has an aging Steve Smith, and Greg Olsen at TE. Thats it. Very good running backs? His running backs have less than 500 combined yards for the entire season. Newton is the leading rusher on that team. You have no clue what you are talking about.

They also have one of, if not the worst offensive line in football - http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

As far as RGIII goes, you should just leave that one alone. He looks absolutely spectacular on the football field. He has a much better arm then Tebow, he is pinpoint accurate, and is a far better athlete overall than Tebow is. There is just no comparison.

 

But is he winning? Tebow started winning almost immediately.

BTW, RGIII is a beast and looks like he will go down as a great one. Not taking away anything from him at all.

 

Still think Newton could have won most of those games here. He only needed about 13 points most of the time.

You don't think Newton could have gotten the Denver offense there? I also think his record if he were in Carolina would be just as dismal... and perhaps someone like Drew Brees MIGHT get them near .500.

Carolina is simply a terrible franchise.

 

It's possible, but I wouldn't bet anything significant on it.

 

No, the Panthers are not winning. They are a terrible football team. Aaron Rodgers couldn't win with that team. You simply cant win football games when you have no talent around the quarterback.

But saying that Tebow is better than Newton is asinine.

 

Tebow >>>>>> Newton.

 

Washington was statistically the second worst defense in the league, that is what is killing them.

 

IIRC Carolina's offense was awful last year too, wins are a team stat not a QB stat, QB can help or hurt more than most, but it still takes a whole team to win

 

Exactly, which is why I find it odd to see people compare win loss records in one on one player comparisons in a sport that has 22 guys on the field in any given time as if they were tennis records.

Otherwise I'd have to believe Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino because he got a Superbowl ring as a QB and Marino didn't. Anyone stupid enough to try making that argument?

 

Way to ignore the fact that Carolina has the worst O-Line in football, but we'll get to that in a second. You still have no idea what you are talking about.

Williams and Stewart combined for 1,597 yards last year. That puts them at exactly 25th in the league in rushing. With Newton's 700+ yards on the ground, he jolted the Panthers to 3rd in the league in rushing.

That was last year.

This year, Carolina has the worst line in football. Stewart is averaging a sad 26 ypg, and Williams is averaging a pathetic 30 ypg. Newton is their top rusher.

Also, I never said Steve Smith was irrelevant. I said he was aging, and the only stud in their receiving corps. His tight end is his #2.

But here is really the only thing that matters; Cam Newton is the face of a franchise, and will have a team built around him in the years to come. Newton is only in his 2nd year. He will get a contract extension, and be a Panther for a very long time.

Tebow is riding pine in a league that doesn't want him.

No, that is not the only thing that matters. RGIII scares defensive coordinators, and he is keeping his team in games even though his defense is absolutely horrible. That is pretty much the exact opposite of what happened in Denver last year, when Denver's D had to keep the terrible Tebow offense in every game. Put Tebow on RGIII's Redskins team and he is 0-7. It's that simple.

 

Disagree.

The league would want Tebow. Just not at QB and not with the circus trying to force him into the starting lineup.

Good guy in the locker room. Versatile in almost any position that doesn't involve throwing. Sells a lot of tickets and jerseys, and brings relevance to said team. People are interrested in that underdog human interrest story. Guarantee Jacksonville, who is in the cellar at "most irrelevant team in the league" would LOVE the attention from FLORIDA fans.

I think other teams would too, though I doubt anyone but maybe Jacksonville would actually consider him at QB.

 

The GM there did a terrible job assembling talent there. Paid top dollar for 3 RUNNING BACKS? What a joke, also they are in cap hell next year.

Cam Newton will get a pass this year unless he really goes into the tank, next year will make or break him, but they need help, and they don't have the money to do so, if they get the number one overall pick they should trade it to the highest bidder and take some contracts of their books.

But I think he has to show he is a great leader, not only in good times, but in bleak times, like right now.

 

So wins are QB stats or team stats?

The age old questions. Everyone does it. When it favors your argument, wins are QB stats. When it hurts your argument, wins are team stats. (or vice versa) Obviously it lies in the middle, but that doesn't lead to much discussion