Dustin Pedroia: MVP?

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  1. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    If the voters weren't drooling idiots I'd agree with you.
     
  2. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    That's actually a really good comparison. It's kind of hard to imagine that the best player on the greatest team in my lifetime never won an MVP. It'd be hard to imagine the Yankees winning 4 in the late 90's without Jeter.

    I look at it this way, as of right now Pedroia is keeping the Sox in it and he has stepped up after the trade of Manny. That being said he also has Papi and Youk on is team.

    I think with Hamilton if your going to hold Coors Field against Holliday you need to hold the Ballpark against Hamilton. Also he hasn't been the same since the All Star game.

    Quentin plays for a 1st place team but you have to consider that Dye is a potential gold glover and having a season just a notch below Carlos.

    I'd actually say that K-Rod needs to be in the discussion considering he may have 60 saves when it's all said and done.
     
  3. Don

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    I always love to see this comment, junc at his best. Like he can just get the hits any time he wants and chooses to get them when the bases are empty. Classic!
     
  4. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    Yeah, but what guy on the team could possibly win it? Carlos Pena is hitting around .249. Now, I know OPS is more important, but BA is still looked at by most voters and us fans. We all know what .249 is right away. When we see something like a .970 OPS number, it doesn't register how good that is right away with most people.

    Then they have two other key guys who are injured. It's hard to win the MVP award if you are out in September.

    As I wrote upthread, I think the top guys right now are two from Boston, two from Chicago, and the Minnesota one.

    Maybe Francisco Rodriguez will get some votes. He could finish in the top five for sure.
     
  5. Yisman

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    ???????????????????? no way

    also, I would not vote for K-Rod.

    I'd vote for Cliff Lee before K-Rod, even though the Indians have struggled.
     
  6. Learn To Swim

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    Fixed that for you.
     
  7. Yisman

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    I absolutely agree with what you wrote.

    Cliff Lee deserves the AL Cy Young and deserves to get consideration for MVP.

    The argument against him will be that his team hasn't done well. True, but he's basically been their only player (ok, I'll give you Sizemore as well). Lee has been balls out awesome, and K-Rod is having an extremely overrated season. Hooray, he collects saves! Saves are a #&%# stat.

    He's being used in the pigeonhole one inning role, which allows him to accumulate a lot of cheap saves.
    A reliever would have to be better than K-Rod and be used differently for him to get any consideration at all from me.
     
  8. Cakes

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    My comment on Rodriguez was that he will get votes and might finish in the top five.

    I wouldn't vote for him, though.

    Aside from Yankees bashing, I'm also known for relief pitcher hatin'. I don't like seeing relief pitchers honored unless in direct comparison to other relief pitchers.
     
  9. Exit 117

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    And here I was thinking that my leadoff hitter was going to drive in the batters in front of him, or drive himself in, or focus on his batting average instead of his .385 OBP.

    Also, he's arguably the best centerfielder in the game, or if not, 2nd to Carlos Beltran.
     
  10. Yisman

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    Well, Quentin is probably out of it now.
     
  11. Yisman

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    Pedroia is impossibly hot.

    21 for his last 34. About .618 BA. His average has gone from .315 to .333.

    Even more impressively, he's also 17 for his last 25. .680 BA. 4 walks, 5 steals, 4 doubles, 2 homers, 8 RBI (all of those coming in the last three games), 9 runs scored.

    Pedroia owns the Red Sox record for most runs scored by a 2nd baseman, by the way. He broke Bobby Doerr's record.
     
  12. Barry the Baptist

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    Your a Mets fan..... do you realize how many games the Mets would be ahead of Philadelphia if protecting a lead was as easy as snapping your fingers? Hell they've blown what 7, 8 games for Santana alone? Consider that Lidge has 0 blown saves. Now imagine if Lidge had 4 blown saves and the Mets have I believe 22 blown saves this year. Cut that in half and the Mets have a dbl digit lead and are looking at magic numbers instead of an important 3 game series with the Phils.

    I'm not saying K rod should be MVP but it certainly is a weak list and it got weaker today as Quentin went down for the year.
     
  13. Yisman

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    not all of those would've been protected with a closer, though. The way K-Rod is used makes him extremely overrated. The Mets bullpen has blown plenty of leads, and many not in the 9th inning.
     
  14. 3rdAnd15Draw

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    K-Rod isn't even having a great year, he's just been phenomenally lucky that almost every time he's pitched it's been a save opportunity. He's 54/59 in save chances in 65 appearances. Compare his numbers(besides saves) to a guy like Rivera who only has 1 blown save in 33 chances in 55 appearances and pitched a couple more innings.

    I would never advocate a closer for MVP but this K-Rod stuff is even more ridiculous then usual. Everyone knows that saves are a bogus stat anyway so why would racking up alot of them deserve an MVP award?
     
  15. Mantana Soss

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    If you're going to be snotty and sarcastic with me, back it up better. I'm not taking anything away from Sizemo, he's a great player, but has next to no shot at MVP.

    That OBP is good for 13th among outfielders.

    He is played out of position. He's a slugger. His run output should be higher.

    Cleveland is 11 games out, he contends, that's why I mentioned him, but he won't be top-3 in voting.
     
  16. Barry the Baptist

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    Honestly if the Twinkees make the playoffs I certainly think Mauer and Morneau will be in the discussion but they will take votes away from each other likely.
     
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    If the BABIP is low, the VORP is high and the TULIP is limp, then no fo' Sizemo.
     
  18. Exit 117

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    I don't think he should win MVP, but taking away from a guy for not scoring enough runs is not his fault, it's the guys behind him considering he gets on base, and not driving enough runs is definitely not the leadoff hitter's fault, he's the leadoff hitter.
     
  19. Yisman

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    Now he's 2 for his last 15. Going from impossibly hot to icy cold.
     

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