We agree on this, but I don't even think Mariota is a critical component of the equation. I just don't think Brees, as great as he has been, will continue to play at a high level at his age, especially adjusting to a new system and playing outside in the cold. I think taking on his contract, however it may be adjusted or re-negotiated, will hamstring the Jets for the forseeable future. IMO it would be a Tannenbaum-esque type of move. TOO aggressive, not being really realistic and not thinking about the long-term ramifications. I think it would be a HUGE mistake for a rookie HC and rookie GM to make. I think it would be a fatal one. The team is also learning new offensive and defensive systems that probably aren't all that simple, and we have a new STs coach as well. No matter how good Bowles is and his staff, there's going to be a learning curve. Even if Brees came here and played lights out, his play could be undermined by the team struggling adapting to the new systems or by injuries to other players. It's just too risky imo, but I can certainly understand why some would see it as a great opportunity.
I've posted this before, but Brees is not bad in cold weather: http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/...r_affect_drew_brees_and_saints_vs_eagles.html http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=new-orleans-saints&id=4113&src=desktop The problem with putting all your eggs into the first pick basket is you need a statistical miracle to come away with a rookie who not only will be good in the long run, but also help the team win right away. Brees is a known commodity at the most important position in the game. He's not a 1 year rental either. Just remember the last time the Jets had the sixth pick. How many times in the history of the draft has the top 6 picks been better than the players that went after them? Having a higher pick is a more comforting feeling when you're dealing in rankings, but the reality of actual game day is a different beast entirely. If the Jets could pull off a swap of first rounders, it would be like they are getting Brees for free.
Obviously Brees vs rookie in a vacuum is a no brainer but that isn't the scenario. It is Brees and his contract, which isn't affordable as is and would force us to restructure it and impact our cap 5 years from now vs rookie and rookie contract.
Chan Gailey is known to be able to adapt an offensive system around his roster. Of course there will be a learning curve, but you put the offense together around your HOF QB, then I don't think it will be as bad as hoping to get a rookie, Geno or Fitz to play lights out. This team is not built for the future. Taking a QB in the first round (usually) means nothing if the rest of your team is ready now. The way a new contract is structured, obviously will be a big factor.. but I can't see why Brees wouldn't want to guarantee more money in a way that is mutually beneficial.
I get it, but IMO probabilies of MM becoming the MAN and Brees bringing Lombardy to NYJ within 2 years are about equal. So it's really a coin flip to me and I'd narrowly lean toward 12.
I wouldn't give 1st rounder, but anything but that -- in a heartbeat. What's wrong with having Brees + Fitz + Mariotta? If you want to be super-insured, leave Smith or Simms, or cut them both. Besides, you're contradicting yourself a bit... If it's possible that Brees will deteriorate overnight, you should want Fitz to be on the team, and it'll allow MM to learn slowly, from one great QB and another "manager" QB.
It's easy, if you think Mariota is a franchise Qb, you take him, no questions. If you don't, make the trade. It kind of has to be black and white.
Let's suppose that Mariota is there at 6. If there was a way for the Jets to acquire Brees and Mariota, most folks would be happy. It's extremely unlikely, but if the Jets could get it done with offer Wilkerson, Milliner, this year's second round pick, next year's first, then it's a no brainer. That brings up the question of what are the Saint's aspirations for this year? Are they content to play out the string like the Knicks/Sixers, and acquire a high pick? Or do they think that they can be competitive with the team that they're fielding. If it's the latter, certainly they could move Brees for more than what the Jets offer (Hello, Cleveland/SF/etc). As with all hypotheticals, it's lots to think about. Fun discussion though.
um, NO! didn't the favre, brunell, vick disasters teach you anything? brees was horrible the last time he played the jets at metlife. no more old qbs with shot arms. he looks better than he is under sean payton's system. rather take fitz who already knows gailey's system, and keep drafting one qb each year in the later rounds until we hit on one.
then, deal down the 6th pick only if you don't like anyone there, aka best athlete available. the browns have two 1s, philly might want to trade up, etc.
Look - Mariota is not Andrew Luck. The chance that these type of QB's turn out to be franchise QB's is low. I'm guessing it's less than 25% which for all you non math wizards is less than 1 out of every 4. We know Brees is a franchise QB and would give us a chance to compete for a superbowl for the next few years. You take that chance if it's an option IMO. Would it suck if we passed on Mariota and he turned into a franchise QB? Of course it would, but we're talking about a sure thing in Drew Brees vs. a small chance in Mariota. You figure out a way to restructure and fit Brees into the cap even if it means a shit year or two in 3-4 years. We're Jets fans, we've endured many shit years we can handle a couple more for the shot a a ring now. How many legit championship caliber teams have we had? "You miss every shot you don't take." - Wayne Gretzky That said - I don't believe Brees is actually on the table so I'm all for taking that less than 25% chance.
Exactly how am I contradicting myself? I didn't say I didn't want Fitz on the team. I said it would have been a wasted trade, and I believe it would or could be viewed in that way. Not that it would probably matter to Mac, but he would also take a lot of heat for just giving up on Geno, and that's what it would mean. Smith may need to be given up on, but I think he at least deserves a chance under Gailey. Trading to bring in both your starting and backup QBs is probably unprecedented, but I don't have a problem with that per se. It does seem a little greedy and overeager. If it succeeded, Mac would be seen as a genius, but if he failed, the JEts would be the laughingstock of the league again and Mac would be seen as a moron. He'd have to have a set of stones the size of the old Twin Towers. It would certainly make things more exciting around here! LOL I just don't think the Jets are ready to go "all in." Their OL is NOWHERE near ready for such a move. They don't have the pass rusher they need. If they had a major injury to Revis, Brick, Mangold, Marshall,or Brees, it could and quite likely would all blow up in their faces. It takes time for players to learn systems, for an OL and secondary to gel. I maintain that some of you are just getting carried away and getting too excited and not thinking calmly or rationally. I'm not putting anyone down for that. I can understarnd it. It's been an exciting off season, and after the frustration and depression of the last 3-4 years, it's hard NOT to get carried away with all the positive change that's happening. It's unfortunate that Brick and Mangold are probably gonna miss out on the Jets having a shot at the SB, and maybe even Marshall, Revis and Cro as well, but I still think this team is at least one year, if not two years away from being truly ready to be a serious competitor for the Lombardi Trophy, even if the Jets do trade for Brees.
Did Idzik catch a lot of fire for basically throwing Sanchez off the cliff? When? Where? Who? Moreover, do you REALLY need to see what kind of turd that moron is? His attitude and mentality isn't even on par with Sanchez - and remember how Sanchez was un-gloriously released. All GeNO has is an arm. YEAH. THAT'S ALL HE'S GOT. Does he have a brain? If he ever had an ounce of it, he wouldn't have been in the situation he's in now. And - Jets didn't get Brees then Fitzpathetic; they went to get Fitzpathetic first. There is always this thing called change in plan. Tom Moore would tell you the same thing: if 18 goes down, they are fucked anyway. Isn't that true for every other team? If 12 goes down, GB is fucked. [Same for NE]. So that injury argument holds less water than a pound of parched sand from desert. But this is the sentiment I agree with. Nobody wins the championship in March, and last free agency winner [that I remember] was Washington Redskins, who posted dismal record. I get it - the situation is pretty different; Daniel Snyder filled up his team with prime time has-beens, which Jets are not doing. But I'd always say it STILL can happen.
Favre went 8-3 and the Jets were looking good for the playoff until he tore his biceps. He went on to the Vikings the following year to have a career year. Brunell and Vick can't hold Brees' jockstrap, and they were brought in to take a mentor/backup role.
The last time Drew Brees passed for under 4000 yards was a decade ago. The last time he had a QB rating below 90 for the season was 2007 when it was 89.4. The last time the Jets had a QB with a rating above 90 was over a decade ago when Pennington did it in 2004. The last time the Jets had a 4000 yard passer was fucking Joe Namath in 19fucking67. lmfao at people who wouldn't want Brees if he was available.
You said: "At 36, his skills can deteriorate overnight and he will be more injury prone." And then: "If you trade for Brees it means you wasted cap space and a draft pick on Fitz." If you're afraid Brees might deteriorate, that getting Fitz was not a waste, it was a very smart backup. As to Geno... yes I would like to see him with new weapons and new system, but if the pipe dream of Brees and MM come true, I really don't care if Geno is cut. Re FO's stones... They already spent shitload of money, might as well go all in. Now, imagine for a second that Jets do get both Brees and MM. Besides OL, I don't see any glaring needs. So what they can do is spend ALL picks on OL, maybe get a backup RB in 5th. BTW, I don't believe MM will fall, but it's sure fun to think about it
