Draft Strategy - Outside the Box Ideas

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  1. King Koopa

    King Koopa Well-Known Member

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    Pitts is probably my favorite target if we draft a non-QB. I’ve watched him a ton and I have no doubt he’s going to be a dominant TE in the NFL and probably will be the best In a few years as Kelce gets older.

    There aren’t that many dominant TE’s in the NFL right now, but the ones that are can completely change the game.

    Kelce and Kittle are there, and Waller is just below them. I feel like Pitts could be even better honestly.
     
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  2. westiedog1

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    How about drafting defense for outside the box thinking? I know were all fed up with all the No. 1 defense picks over the years but the fact remains the Jets still need help on defense. In particular there is a big need at MLB, because you don't know about Mosley and not sure Cashman is the answer. Maybe take Nick Bolton. Missouri, if he's still on the board at 34 or more realistically, Joseph Ossai, Texas or Dylan Moses, Alabama. I know the biggest need is for edge but you're not going to get a quality edge rusher past round 1, and if anyone should know that, it's the Jets. Still there is this guy I saw at the Senior Bowl who impressed me, Elerson Smith, Northern Iowa, 6-4 260. I don't think he got any sacks, but he made a few big plays in the offensive backfield. Not a big leap to throwing RB's for a loss to getting at the QB so I would take a flyer on him maybe from round 4 on. Finally, there's always a need for improving the D backfield. Jets got lucky with Hall and the other no-names played reasonably well. Maybe they can get lucky again, but re-signing Maye is a must.
     
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  3. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    If we trade down a couple times we might be able to get the best defensive player in the draft between 11 and 18.

    Any of these guys might be there:

    Micah Parsons
    Gregory Rosseau
    Patrick Surtain II
    Caleb Farley

    Might not be as sexy as a QB but having the next Abraham, Ellis, Glenn, etc. while adding more draft picks could be a huge win for us.
     
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    I like that thinking! However, the top two on your list are about as likely to be available between 11-18 as some of the top receivers such as Smith, Waddle and Chase which is very unlikely. However, it is more likely that at least one of the top receivers might be there. So, if it became a choice between one of the bottom two on your list and one of the top receivers, I would have to go with one of the receivers. Nevertheless, I think you can make a good case for drafting the top two at 11-18 but I think the bottom two would provoke a revolt among Jet fans if it was the first pick of the draft.
     
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    They may still be there mid first round but i can see rosseau going top ten
     
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    i like where your head is at but i think edge is a bigger need than mlb
     
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    Edge is always a bigger need than MLB. However, IMO drafting edge is riskier than drafting QB. So, unless you're going to use a #1 pick on an edge guy, drafting one any further down in the draft is almost a waste of a pick.
     
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    The Jets were 2-14 last year. Even with Woody back in the building the pressure to market a winning team this year is way down because you can't rationally market around we're going to win when you were the second worst team in the NFL last year.

    If the Jets think the 2021 draft is a particularly random crapshoot they have options to continue the build without putting too many eggs in that basket.

    They can do trades down in which the package they receive for the pick they trade down includes both 2021 and 2022 draft picks. This would hedge against 2021 being a particularly weak draft - which it may well be.

    As an example if the Jets trade down the #2 for another pick in the top 10 they could ask for the teams 2022 1st round pick back in the deal as well. Given the trading partner is in the top 10 this year the odds go up that they will also be in the top 10 next year. If the trade down is more than a few slots they could ask for the 1st and 2nd round picks this year plus the 1st rounder and the 2nd rounder next year. This would be average value for a trade up to the #2 for a QB however it would hedge for the Jets, giving them a lot of value in both drafts to maneuver further.

    A trade of this type would also allow the Jets to package one of the extra picks received to move the 34 up into the 1st round and potentially gain a 5th year of control on a third player in the 2021 draft. This would be particularly advisable if the Jets were looking to take a prospect QB late in the 1st round or early in the 2nd. The 5th year would let the team bring the new QB along a bit more slowly than they otherwise might. Note that the heavy price of trading up, which is often quite damaging for roster depth would be ameliorated by the fact the Jets had traded the #2 down for several picks beforehand.
     
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    All the drafts I've simulated I've gone big on the oline. I love sewell, that said I think he is a waste of the 2nd pick if we can trade down for several more. He's a phenomenal player and I would love to have him, but I'd rather be able to gain two additional picks this year and possibly two additional picks next year. Just a disclaimer I initially wanted to stay put at two and draft him.
     
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    Thanks for posting it, but it can be interpreted in many different ways. Personally, I don't think the Jets need a guy like Sewell. Where would he play....RT? I think that's a waste. That pick can better be used getting an "explosive player." As for pass rusher, you'd have to draft him at the #2 position unless you trade down, but no later than #10. Beyond that, the position is too risky to draft. You're right about Anderson. The article said they want to run to set up the deep ball. To me, that means Smith at #2 and Travis Etienne or Najee Harris at #23. There's your explosive players.
     
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    I’m not saying I agree or disagree with Sewell at 2, all I’m saying is that Joe and Saleh continue to give us insight on their blueprint for building a team. Control the LOS and have explosive players on both sides of the ball, they both also believe in building through the draft instead of buying a winning team through FA.

    I’m aware the draft doesn’t have a plethora of those players available in every round but building through the draft is what these guys believe in, if last years draft was an indication of the type of players they are looking for I think this years draft is going to be another good one.
     
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    It seems like JD learned positional value in Philly and patience in Baltimore. Remember when Baltimore passed on their future FQB at 25 only to snag him at 32?

    I believe JD will trade the #2 pick (patience) and pick a WR, Edge, or CB (positional value) with each of our 1st round picks.
     
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    I agree with this. I think we can grab a great olineman in the 2nd round. And in the first will target the three positions you mentioned.
     
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    I think it's really likely we wind up with a WR with a top 10 pick after a trade down and it's an even chance we wind up with a QB in the 20's depending on how the top half of the first round plays out.
     
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    Also too depends on what JD does in FA. If he lands a solid WR I doubt we’ll see them drafting a WR until 3rd round.
     
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    Their so-called football build philosophy doesn't impress me in the least. You can cut and paste that media byte to any of the last HC/GM combos the Jets have had in the last 20 years. Win games! Then I'll be impressed.
     
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    I’m on board with your ideology as well, but JD has drafted based on his philosophy, Macagnan would not have drafted Becton, because Macagnan believed you could build an elite oline with 4th round draft picks.
     
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