I know you can't always compare college production to the NFL, but let's consider this: Fowler Career Sacks (non-bowl games): 11.5 Beasley Sacks 2013 (non-bowl games: 12 In their last 2 seasons: Fowler Sacks (non-bowl games): 8.5 Beasley Sacks (non-bowl games): 23 Fowler was used differently, but in the few full games I've watched on draft breakdown (and other analysts have pointed out) Fowler never showed a particularly effective EDGE rush nor particularly effective pass moves with any consistency. He may become the next big thing as an edge rusher, but the tape doesn't really show that, and the production was certainly never there. Nor has has he proven himself to be an elite run defender either. As much as it's pretty clear to me that we're lacking more in the edge rush department more than we are WR, if Bowles decides that Beasley isn't a scheme fit, I don't see how you don't take one of the WR's.
Beasley. a lock for double digit sacks. the run stuff is enormously overblown. especially since we have so many dominant run stopper on the dline. you can hide that weakness a bit. what he would bring vs the pass 10 times outweights that. id go beasley, whether mariotta is there or not
We don't need a pass rusher until late in the draft..the Jets still had the 6th best defense in the league with 4 Pop Warner guys playing in the defensive backfield. We absolutely need a QB and a RB or WR in the first two rounds if we ever want to compete.
I think you are dead on. I think it will be Beasley though... with an outside chance being Shane Ray. I thought it was pretty telling that they avoided OLB in FA and Maccagnan mentioned that they look at a draft's strengths at the positions and plan their offseason accordingly. The draft is top heavy at edge rusher. Maccagnan took over as Director of College Scouting at Houston in 2011, since then they took Pass Rushers more in their first two selections than any other position. 4 times...including 3 First round picks. The second most selected position was WR so you might be right about Cooper. 10 years ago I would've said that Beasley can't play LB at this level. His legs are too small and once an OL gets his hands on him he will be overwhelmed. But the game has changed. Small LBs and pass rushers are killing it against offenses that incorporate spread attributes, and most offenses are now. Beasley would be a good pick and on this defense... holy shit. exactly the final piece they need to be an elite defense in this league.
Because he's solid but not great. ok athletically. Ok speed, ok size, not so good agility. He's not some beast rushing the edge. He piled up stats in college rushing through interior gaps lining up at mismatches on the line.
I'd go with either Beasley or Cooper...Mariota there or not. Only other players I'd consider are White and Fowler. I know it seems minor to some, but the whole drug stuff spooked me about Gregory. I know he's not the only one, but I have a pet peeve about people who get busted at the combine. If you can't be disciplined not smoke before you've made any money and are auditioning for the biggest career move of your life, why should I believe you'll all of a sudden do so when you have money in your hands? As far as Ray is concerned, he's been productive but I'm not sure if it wasn't largely due to Missou rather than his individual talent.
I read that he's a freak athletically, and has maybe the best first step of any pass rusher in the draft. Apparently his weaknesses are his strength, awareness, and array of pass rush moves. But he's one of the most talented defensive players in the draft. Interesting that fans here rank them Beasley, Gregory, then Ray. Most places I've seen them ranked Gregory, Ray, then Beasley (at least before Gregory's drug test).
unless his measurables were way down because of the foot still bothering him, we can say he's ok athletically but not a freak like Beasley. His 40 was average while his bench, vertical, 3 cone, and shuttle were among the worst for linebackers tested. So he's weak with poor agility compared to the top guys. There's some interesting scout snippets from his pro day on here http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/cfb/133396/shane-ray
Thanks for that link. Reading that, he sounds pretty good to me. NFLdraftscout says this about him: "Extraordinary athlete who claims to have been clocked at 4.44 seconds in the 40-yard dash. He has a 40-plus-inch vertical, 10-foot broad jump and bench presses over 400 pounds. Launches himself off the line with an explosive first step to beat tackles and can fly by and around them, showing the flexibility and balance to scrape the corner and close. Complements speed rush with a quick jab-step back to the inside and a swim over the top to counter if blockers lean outside. Locates the ball quickly and changes direction fluidly to pursue. Exceptional reaction quickness. Decisively makes plays with an outstanding motor. Shows good effort in run pursuit. Good bloodlines. His father, Wendell Ray, played at Missouri and was a fifth-round pick of the Vikings in 1981." http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1860857/shane-ray
i don't want any of these 3 at the #6. they aren't multi-dimensional enough in their games to warrant a pick that high. it's either Fowler, Mariota, Cooper, or Peat..
Mariota / Beasley / White / Cooper. Beasley is my favorite edge player for the Jets. The fact he's a "pure speed rusher" isn't that big of a deal when you consider we have one of the best run-stopping, power-rushing defensive lines in football. He's my favorite edge player for a simple reason: the production and the traits match. Gregory is a freak athlete, but he disappears on tape. Also, he has one strike against him for substance issues. Fowler has a combination of power and speed - but I'd prefer to lean more towards speed and agility. Ray has great production but his athleticism simply isn't on Beasley's level.
I think fowler has more bust potential than people realize. I wouldn't be surprised if he drops- he feels like he will be average at everything. Would much rather have Beasley who has much more upside as a pass rusher and give away in the run stopping ability.
Daniel Jeremiah thinks the Jets will take a pass rusher no matter what, for the past 2 wks he was saying Shane Ray at no6, as soon as the Shane Ray toe rumor came out he changed it to Bud Dupree at 6. This is with Amari Cooper and Kevin White still available LOL
