Draft Order

Discussion in 'Draft' started by JetsFanDoc, Dec 21, 2020.

  1. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    That's absurd, and truly one of the worst ideas I've ever seen put forward on this board!! It would destroy any semblance of parity. The teams that are already good would stay good or become great, and the lower echelon teams would suck forever.

    The way to do a better job is through the draft. Totally stupid idea! GTFO with that nonsense! This board gets dumber by the day.
     
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  2. joe

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    Nice dodge - your post directed at @JetsKickAss wasn't about opinions, it was the 'optics' surrounding his opinion, i.e. his use of bold, underlining, hues, etc.

    Here it is vvv:
    So you see Mr. Bufu (make that Lord King God Bufu), it was not 'opinion-based' but instead you in your inimitable, over-officious jerk off manner playing 'adult.'

    "GFY?" Awww, iz paw, widdle Wailburd upset?......

    Go play with your rings Mr. Bufu.

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  3. truthbtold

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    Don't sugar coat it ... tell me how you REALLY feel.
    Look ... I understand you hate it, but as dumb as you may think it is, at least it's an outside of the box way to discourage tanking, which is one of the most disgraceful problems in sports. Losing should NEVER be incentivized.

    "Lower echelon teams would suck forever" is a laughably stupid statement. Walk into the offices of the Steelers or Ravens and tell them that the way to build sustained success is to constantly draft in the top 5 like the Jets or Jaguars do all the time. Before they laughed you out of the building, they might point out that the 8 or 9 teams that are constantly playing in the Championship games NEVER draft in the top 5 ... or even the top 10. I guess they must be really lucky.

    You are putting way too much stock in the draft order, but seem to give no credit to things that actually work ... like hiring great people, making smart decisions, working hard, building a culture, knowing when to cut your losses, and learning to make accurate evaluations and projections.

    You can bet your life that if the draft order was selected randomly every year, the good teams would still be good, and the bad teams would still suck. Where they drafted would be completely irrelevant. You know what creates parity? COMPETENCE.
     
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  4. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    This is as big bunch of stupid nonsense as your other post was and merits no further response. Have a nice life.
     
  5. JetsKickAss

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    I think the NFL goes to a draft lottery....actually saw Gene Frenette of the Jacksonville Times-Union mentioning this the other day.....maybe you group the NFL into 4 teams at a time and weigh those teams within each section.

    So right now it would be Jax, the Jets, Cincy, and Carolina in the Top 4....maybe give Jax a 40% shot....Jets 30%....Cincy 20%....and Carolina 10%. Something like that.

    Solves the "tanking" problem AND leads to another revenue night for the NFL. :D
     
  6. NCJetsfan

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    It doesn't solve the tanking problem. It makes it worse, because the worst team would wind up not getting the 1st pick at least some years, and perhaps many years. The Charlotte Hornets were the worst team in the NBA for a number of years and not one time did they get the #1 pick. That's BS! If the NFL goes to a lottery system, I hope it folds and there is no more NFL. I, for one, will certainly stop watching or caring. There is no need for a lottery in the NFL. Tanking is not a problem in the NFL.
     
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  7. JetsKickAss

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    The PERCEPTION of tanking is the problem, NCJ, not actual tanking. Let me clarify that.

    You could increase the odds a bit for my Gang of Four: Jacksonville 50%.....Jets 30%......Cincy 15%.....Carolina 5%.

    I agree, this isn't a pressing problem because it only pops up like every 5 years or so....but there's NO CIRCUMSTANCE in which you would go to a modified lottery ? You wouldn't have any really bad teams dropping 5-7 spots....the most you could fall (in my example) would be 3 slots.
     
  8. NCJetsfan

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    I won't say never, but I can't even think of a way in which it could be modified such that I'd like it. While no system is perfect, as long as the NFL wants parody, I think the present way of handling the draft is the fairest. If some team is really willing to accept a horrible record in order to get the #1 pick, why shouldn't they be able to? They're not really hurting anyone but themselves. As a couple of posters have pointed out, if their GM doesn't make good use of those picks or if they don't have a good HC or CS to develop those picks, then they're going to have a difficult, if not impossible time of becoming a good team anyway. At least this gives those teams a "chance" to improve. If they pick the right talent and draft wisely, that should improve the team, then with each successive draft they should be able to become more and more competitive.
     
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  9. JetsKickAss

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    I'd like to see SoS dropped as a tiebreaker in favor of something else....maybe point differential. You can't control SoS at all.
     
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  10. NCJetsfan

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    I'm confused. Prior to the Jets winning, draft sites and the draft games were saying that the Jets had two 1st round picks, a 2nd, two 3rd round picks. a 4th, a 5th, two 6th round picks, and no 7th round pick. Now a draft site and one of the draft games has that the Jets have two 5th round picks, one 6th. Did it change or are those sites screwed up? If it changed, how/why did it change?
     
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    We haven't shown that tanking is actually happening, or even a problem in the NFL. And if it is, then it's up to the league to be monitoring it and punishing teams who do it. Rigging the draft with a lottery that gives teams that need less help than teams that need more help is counter-productive. And a 'weighted lottery' still doesn't completely eliminate the incentive to 'tank' since the team with the worst record gets the most 'weight'.

    Leave it as it is, and make sure the league is doing its job in catching and punishing any offenders.
     
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