Draft Order: where the jets will land?

Discussion in 'Draft' started by GasedAndConfused, Dec 27, 2017.

  1. statjeff22

    statjeff22 2008 Green Guy "Most Knowledgeable" Award Winner

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    That’s if they use the transitional tag, which would allow Cousins to negotiate the long-term deal he wants with anyone, which Washington would have to match or they would lose him for nothing. Since they clearly don’t want him long term that is certainly questionable. The rest is purely your opinion, so why don’t you try not being such a jerk?
     
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  2. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    No it's not using the transitional tag

    Franchise tag
    The National Football League introduced the franchise tag in 1993.[1] There are two types of franchise tag designations: the exclusive rights franchise tag, and non-exclusive rights franchise tag:

    • An "exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams. The player's team has all the negotiating rights to the exclusive player.
    • A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five cap hits at the player's position for the previous five years applied to the current salary cap, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if the player signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.
    • Under the Capped years a team can designate one additional player only as a transitional tag. A transition player must be offered a minimum of the average of the top 10 salaries of the prior season at the player's position or 120 percent of the player's prior year's salary, whichever is greater. A transition player designation gives the club a first-refusal right to match within seven days an offer sheet given to the player by another club after his contract expires. If the club matches, it retains the player. If it does not match, it receives no compensation.

    He gets a 20% raise or the average of the highest paid 5 players at his position whichever is higher. he made about 24 mil this season so 20% more is 28.8 mil. The current average of the top 5 QBs for 2017 is about 22mil. it'll likely go up a little next year around 24-25 if i had to guess so 28.8 seems to be the number unless the average of the top 5 spikes in a way never seen before

    If they used the transitional tag it would make no sense. it backfires too much. they don't want to give him a LTD or they would have already. At this point it would be like making him a free agent since they have no interest in matching. I'm not trying to be a dick by any means i'm just telling things like they are. I mean ever writers suck , earlier today i called out cimini for claiming the jets could pick as high as 4 when it's impossible
     
  3. boozer32

    boozer32 Well-Known Member

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    I don't know about that. Rosen is concussed, Darnold might stay another year, Jackson is too small to hold up to the grind of the NFL. Allen had a awful year and Mayfield is short. I like OSU Rudolph but many here don't like the offense he runs.
     
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    I believe that I read that the franchise tag for Kirk would be for about 34 million. I agree that the transition tag does't make sense for the Redskins.

    Link: http://www.nbcsports.com/washington...really-afford-franchise-tag-kirk-cousins-2018
     
  5. GasedAndConfused

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    every year we hear the same complaints about QBs. complaints that made dak go in the 4th, rodgers slip to 24th overall, brady in the 6th etc etc. I'm not concerned with it.
    well i stand corrected on this one. since it's his 3rd tag it goes up to 44% raise making it around 34.5 mil I forgot about that since it's often not seen. It was changed in 2012 under the new CBA and the only time we seen it was when brees was tagged a 2nd time by NO but won a grievance because he was tagged once in 2005 by SD so it was technically his 3rd franchise tag. Still he stands to make a lot more in 2018 with a LTD due to the massive signing bonus he'll get

    Stafford set the new bar in 2017 landing a 5 year 135 million dollar contract with a 50 million bonus, 92 million guaranteed and 27 million average. Stafford made a 1 million salary in 2017 since they back loaded it but took home 51 million total in 2017. much more then cousins would earn on the tag plus stafford is guaranteed to make at least another 41 million even if he never plays another down. Cousins contract will likely be similar (probably a little more) and is a much better move for him then playing the tag since if he was to say blow out his knee in 2018 under the tag he'd miss out on 60+ million dollars.
     
  6. Don

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    Cousins doesn't want to be a Redskin, unfortunately he probably doesn't want to be a Jet either, who would?
     
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  7. Don

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    Mayfield is short and I don't like short QBs either but he is still an inch taller than Brees is. You just need an OC to design the plays so that isn't a problem..of course here that's a joke to even imagaine..an OC that can think.
     
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    people say this when it really means nothing. it's rare for players to turn down massive money over a team. It would be like saying i don't like microsoft so i'm not gonna take the million dollar job they offered me and instead i'll work at google for 50k a year. makes no sense. Fans take it personal, to players it's just a business. it's a job and they are companies. Unless a team has wronged a player and given them bad blood they likely won't care outside of older vets with limited options who would take less to play on a winning team. People think the jets are some sinkhole franchise, we really aren't. and the top tier teams already have Qbs an no need for cousins.
     
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    I keep reading here that Washington doesn't want Cousins long term. Haven't they tried to sign him to long term deals the past 2 years? I believe that they have even said they wouldn't hesitate to Franchise him again a third time if he doesn't agree to a long term deal. It seems more like Cousins doesn't want to be in Washington long term then the other way around.
     
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    they lowballed him. offered him half the guaranteed money of stafford and 3 mil per year average less.
     
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    Disagree....if the Redskins really want him back and Cousins really wants to return, it's a good way to confirm his value.

    If anything, the demand for Cousins has lessened a bit since SanFran and Shanny are no longer a potential bidder.

    But the Jets can pay back the Skins for Laverneus Coles 12 or 13 years ago by tendering Cousins.

    If I'm Washington, I either strike a deal with Cousins or transition tag him. That way, they can match or get some picks back for him.
     
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    The GM who left wanted him, Bruce Allen didn't, and the Owner Snyder doesn't know what to do after the RGIII blew up in his face. The entire organziation, if you read the Washington Post and Times, is paralyzed by the RGIII debacle in terms of cost and how it all went sour.
     
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    It's only rare if it's only one team making that offer. He will have plenty of offers if he goes the FA route and while the Jets may be able to offer a few more MIL up front all the other teams making offers will be able to over the life of the contract. And let's face it, if they keep this joke of a HC and GM who would possible want to come here?
     
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    again it's nonsense. the jets are far from a joke team. the browns are the biggest joke and even they can land free agents
     
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    I don't want Cousins ..I want my Uncle Vinny
     
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    The only thing I see wrong with your theory is they offered him $53 million guaranteed which was $13 Million more than Carr received.Carr was the highest paid Qb at the time. Cousins turned down the deal in May. Don't see how offering the highest guaranteed money ever at the time, is low balling.
    Stafford got his deal in late August so it was well after cousins refused his offer.
     
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    Right now Aunt Vincenza would be an upgrade. And she has a better goatee than Petty or Hack could even hope to grow!!!
     
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    carr got 70 million guaranteed and 25mil a year average
    cousins was offered 53 guaranteed and 22mil a year average

    he got offered much less then carr as well.
     
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    Only $40 Million is fully Guaranteed in Carr's contract . Cousins offer was $53 Million fully Guaranteed with $72 for injury. Still higher than Carr. Stafford's deal was still nearly 3 months later so your argument that he was low balled still has no merit.
     

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