this guy has no idea what hes talkin about with thomas jones...i think he will go for about 1200 yards and about 8 TD, which would be great...and leon gettin about 500 on the ground...if we can get a running game goin, then chad can be effective
Why is everyone so high on Turner? Do you really want to give up a 1st and 3rd rounder for him I think Jones is going to be great in our offense. You just have to give him a chance.
At first i was a skeptical about getting thomas jones before any thoughts of the bears trading him. In the superbowl he broke away from guys and ran for 52 yards and ran out of gas in the end. But now that i look at it was a great trade i think he was the next best thing since we didnt pursue michael turner. A first and a third would of been to much for michael turner and now they see that nobody was dum enough to grad that bait. so now they trying to renegoiate the deal and reconsider what people are trying to offer. With thomas jones we gonna have a good grinding out back who can control the clock with his running style and to me most of the games we lost was because we didnt control the clock enough.
... .... ..... You need to start to get that amount of carries. Turner is not a starter. It's impossible for that to happen unless he and LT split carries, even then thats unlikely. See that coorelation there? All those guys got ALOT of carries. Hence, it's impossible for Turner to do that, no? I would have loved to be the team that Turner did that with though.
Anybody surprised that the only people not in love with this trade are the ones that were in love with Michael Turner?
Just woke up and read all the posts , just what I was thinking. For me I like the TJ deal better than any deal we could come up with for Turner. Firstly I actually do like him as a personality and as a player. Secondly , the Turner deal would have cost us dearly in the draft and quite possibly put us back a few years in terms of continuing to rebuild the O line and the D line. Thirdly , when all the bones are in place , TJ will most probably be done (2-3 years?) Turner would not be , and we will see which kind of franchise back we are going to need. Turner is a good back and may be the next big thing , but not for us at this moment and at that price.TJ is a much better fit right now for our TEAM.
You meant in addition to Thomas Jones right who had 1335 and 1210 yards the last two years. In addition I'm surprised the Jones is top 50 with only 1300 carries. Then again Curtis has over 3500 carries so it may be right.
So 1200 yards averages 75 yards a game or 3.75ypc if you have 20 carries a game. Is that something to get excited about? I think people have totally lost track of what constitutes an impressive season anymore. It should start at 1600. I'll take Turner's lifetime 6.0 YPC and 6.3 last year and I don't care how many carries he has had as a backup.
Actually the last 4 seasons he's averaged at least 4 YPC as the main back. Do you really think Turner would put up those 6.x YPC numbers as a starter? If so, he'd be starting over LT. 2006 4.1 2005 4.3 2004 4.0 2003 4.6
Hehehe don't group me in with those other T.J haters :grin: I definitely wanted Michael Turner, but after hearing about the terms of the T.J deal I knew that we made the best possible deal for a starting back. You can't really do much better then what we did in that deal, and I'm all for bringing in someone with a body of work like T.J. Turner is an intriguing prospect, but there are still many unproven questions about his ability. Combine that with the fact that Turner will probably come at a higher price then Jones and it makes the trade for T.J all the better. It makes sense to have some people viewing Thomas Jones critically; but in terms of value you have to admit we made out great, and once we use that extra pick on a contributor to our team it will be easy to see how important it was to maintain having 2 2nd round picks.
No, of course not. I just think his age, size and speed would have been a better option (and cheaper) then Jones if they could have made a deal. They obviously couldn't make that deal a month ago and now it probably isn't practical but I would have preferred Turner if things had worked out. We definitely don't have the best run blocking offensive line in football as we saw last year and I think Turner would have been more successful with what we do have then Jones will be.
I hope you are including the Jets FO in there as they were/are clearly in love with Turner too. They got what they could get which doesn't mean that was their first choice.
These writers couldn't be wronger! I cant believe the number of heads that have turned because some typewriter guy doesn't believe our front office made the write decision to put our team in a position to win. "It's like when your girlfriend reads your horoscope and it says, you find intimate interest in a co-worker today and she accuses you of cheating" Believe the prognosticators but know this the players dont read the press or care. Turner will be fine where ever he goes but I have to stand up for who we have.....Screw this article TJ will have an awesome career.
I don't know how much cheaper he would have been. First you have to consider the trade price which was clearly cheaper to get Jones. We swapped second rounders which worked out to about a 3rd round pick. Turner would have cost at least a first round pick. As far as salary, I don't know what TJ made last year but in 2005 he made $1,800,000. I assume he made more last year. We're paying him $900,000 this year followed by $2,000,000 (2008) $900,000 (2009) $2,000,000 (2010). He also received a $7 million signing bonus and will receive another $5 next season. So that's 7.9 against the cap this year, 7 next year, .9 the following year and 2 the final year. I don't see this as too much for a consistent, solid RB who fits our needs very well. What kind of deal do you suspect Turner would have commanded? I'm guessing it will be similar for whoever he ends up on. I agree that we don't have the best run blocking Oline. Turner was running behind one of the best though, and without ever seeing him take a full load you have no way of saying he would do better. TJ can put his shoulder down on a defender too. I see what you're saying about his youth and potential - he looks like he could be a great back. I don't see how you can sh!t on the TJ deal though. He's proven to be one of the better and more durable backs in the league and we got him for trading second rounders. Now we have more ammo to fix the right side of our line among other things.
Yeah, instead of getting a good proven RB like Thomas Jones, I'd take Michael Turner, a guy who was in for the series after Tomlinson had already worn out the defense. Turner would have been worth the gamble for the right price, but when you have the opportunity to get a guy who has already proven he can handle a NFL workload, and give up practically nothing to get him, you take it. Turner may have been one of the backups who could handle an NFL workload (Holmes, Green for example), but given his running style and the fact that the series he was put in was after Tomlinson had already wore the defense out, it wasn't worth the risk when a much better option in Jones was presented.
I have no idea what series you are referring to. He had 502 yards on 80 carries for a 6.3 average. Clearly he didn't do that in one series.
"Series" refers to a series of downs during a drive. Tomlinson would work on the first series or two, wear the defense out, get the first down, and Turner would come in for the new series of downs and attack a tired defense.
