i'm not willing to pass up a sure thing (amari cooper is the closest thing to a sure thing) for a potential bust in Mariota. I'm not sold on what I see and that could potentially set the franchise back 5 years I'm willing to roll with Geno for one more season with those weapons and if it doesn't work out I still believe we could win 10 games with Fitzpatrick
While I wouldn't advocate taking QB after QB after QB, I'd advocate taking good QB after good QB after good QB. We never should have drafted a QB in 2013--it was an AWFUL class for QBs. We should have drafted a QB last year as it was a GREAT year for QBs. I'd only take one of the top 2 guys this year. But I'd damn well make sure I got one because next year looks like a weak class. Taking a WR at 6 when you could get maybe as good as, AS good as or potentially a better WR at the top of round 2 is crazy. _
Ohhhh now it comes out. Mariota is a potential bust but Amari Cooper is a sure thing? Hahahaaa the hypocrisy. Amari Cooper isn't even the best WR in this class--but he's a "sure thing"? _
Not every year, not in shitty years but when there are two franchise guys at the top of a draft this year, you do it. And yes, there are some very good WRs in this draft. _
yea absolutely. the amari cooper i see on film has all the tools necessary to be a great wide receiver in the NFL with the most important aspect being separation, which he gets consistently with his route running. the "safest" picks i'd say in his draft class are Winston, Williams, Cooper, and White. im pretty confident i know what i will get from these players mariota on the other hand, i have absolutely 0 clue. and neither do you. i'm not willing to justify this franchise over that, especially when i'm not sold with what i see on film. i honestly do not see why you are so enamored with him
I'm curious as to why you believe Winston is a "safe pick". It's easier to project his skills to the next level, because he is coming from a pro style offense, but some of the flaws he has displayed in college on the field has led to demise of many many other players in the NFL. To be honest, none us of know what these prospects will amount too and that includes Winston. At one point Mark Sanchez, and several other prospects who came from pro style offenses were thought to be sure things, but unfortunately they did not live up to the "hype".
sanchez was no where close to a sure thing winston obviously has the potential to bust, like every player, but he's the best quarterback prospect i've seen since Luck and i don't think its close. i just think mariota has a much higher possibility of amounting to nothing compared to the other players
And Kevin White is a more physical, bigger, faster, more explosive and violent player than Cooper so why wouldn't you take him if you're passing up a franchise QB for a WR. You have zero idea what you're getting from Mariota but I actually think he's an even safer pick than Cooper. Very high floor. Cooper gets separation in college, he's going to struggle against bigger more physical and faster DBs in the pros. And I'm not "justifying" the franchise, I take Mariota at 6 and I possibly get just as good or better WR than Cooper at the top of round 2. And there is no QB in rounds 2-7 that is anywhere CLOSE to MM, but you want to roll with Geno one more year. How about that? Your opinion is no more or less valid than mine. _
first off, i expect kevin white to go to #4 to Oakland so we can't draft him if you think Mariota is a safer pick than cooper than i'm just going to assume you haven't watched any film on these guys
[QUOTE="Dom, post: 3221877, member: 18016"]sanchez was no where close to a sure thing winston obviously has the potential to bust, like every player, but he's the best quarterback prospect i've seen since Luck and i don't think its close. i just think mariota has a much higher possibility of amounting to nothing compared to the other players[/QUOTE] It's easy to say that in retrospect, but Sanchez's college tape was fantastic. I think Winston is going to be good, but I'm not completely sold on him, and the same applies to Mariota. And although Winston's issues off the field are overblown, there's always the potential that he blows up there; I just don't like the term "sure thing". If you're waiting for a "sure thing" , the Jets won't be drafting a Quarterback until 2020.
Oh so you posted a mock and are unhappy everyone isn't agreeing with it? And now you're going the "you haven't watched film on them" route? Well done. I've seen every game Mariota has played the last 2 years and probably 5-6 his freshman year and I'm a big Bama fan, loved AJ and watched McCarron throwing to Cooper when he was a pup wet behind his ears. I like Cooper a LOT. There are a lot of good WRs in this draft and only 2 QBs. But please stop with the nonsense. Your opinion is just a guess, just like mine. _
Their plan is Geno. And if he shits the bed like expected, we've got a bunch of 2nd round QB jags coming out next year who we can reach for at 18 in the first. Geezuz you can't make this stuff up. _
Guys you need to relax. A lot of the comments here are opinions and very subjective. Some people believe Kevin White is better than Amari Cooper and vice versa. I prefer Amari Cooper over White, not by much, but that doesn't make me right or wrong, just my opinion on watching their career work. My recommendation is if you offer your opinion, mock draft and feelings on a player, be prepared for criticism and support your position.
Dom, I really like your mock draft, except for a couple of issues. Cooper is fine with me at #6. I'm not a Holliman fan he plays soft and is a poor tackler. We need to get a QB somewhere in this draft, even if it's a player like Petty or Grayson for a possible solution down the road. Also, I didn't read all of your comments but we have another 7 th Rd pick....unless we lose it for tampering.
you're right, then stop attacking my opinion. you start everything with these mariota debates, i could honestly care less. the only reason i defended by pick was because of the "hypocrisy" you spoke of
thanks for the response WW85 yea i knew i was missing a pick, i just forget which one. ill update it later. i also agree with your assessment on Holliman, I'll probably change that pick in my next draft
I've had my Cooper avatar for almost a year, I'm not going to change it. If we can't get a crack at MM, Cooper or White are my clear choices, even the acquisition of Marshall. I'm not sold on Beasley, Gregory or Ray.......and my favorite defensive player Fowler should be gone.
At 6 I would be looking at a pass rusher (unless Winston fell somehow) but it is hard to argue that Cooper isn't the safest pick.
