I'm not sold on Mariotta or Winston. If the Eagles wanted to trade say this years 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and two future firsts I'd pull that deal in a heartbeat. Rams got 2 future firsts and a second for the RGIII deal moving down just a few spots. In fact I might even push for a future 2nd as well.
If Mariota falls to us and we let him go or trade the pick, I would hate to be the new HC or GM. I hope to be buying a Mariota jersey this year. If not him I still like Mannion at QB.
Good question. After Idzik screwed the pooch with last year's 12 pick draft, especially with all the holes the Jets have, it would be very tempting to take Philly's offer. There's no doubting that the Jets could use more picks to try to address holes. But what good would they do without a quality QB? One isn't in position very often to take a top QB prospect. If one needs a QB, is in position to take one, then passes on it to address other needs, then one is nuts and deserves to never find that quality QB imo. I'd take Mariota and never look back. How long has it been since the Jets have had a quality, franchise-caliber QB? I believe that Mariota is that level of talent. He may not be a Luck, Brady or Roethlisberger, but he doesn't have to be. When you get the chance to take a QB who has franchise caliber talent, you have to take him. Taking the picks and hoping you'd get another shot at a QB in 2016 is a fool's game. I don't think there's a single QB in next year's draft who could even begin to carry Mariota's jock.
IMO you'd have no brain if you made that deal. You don't pass up the chance for a topflight QB prospect, especially when you've had as awful play at QB as many years as the Jets have.
Not one of those stiffs an carry Mariota's jock. Liking Mariota and making that deal would be worst of all.
If Philly wants to give up a kings ransom for Colin Kaepernick 2.0, then I'd do it before Philly has a chance to change their minds. Mariotta is too much of a project and you NEVER take projects in the first round.
Yeah because everyone knows that any year a team decides it wants to draft a topflight QB prospect it can. LMAO You guys kill me. You talk like this is your first year following the NFL and have never seen a draft.
You're the one who is making it seem like it's easy to find a QB and easy to get him with and saying that just using 5 picks in any rounds will get you your next Manning. That's idiotic.
If Mac and Bowles like either of the 2 QB's then they better make sure they do everything possible to put the QB in the best possible position to succeed. But if they aren't sold on either one of them then don't draft them. Luck's and Manning's don't fall out of trees, where there is minimum developmental required.
I might be biased being an Fsu graduate but if we have a chance I think we need to pull the trigger on Winston . He is pro ready and if the Jets are worried about off the field problems hire an dang chaperone to watch him.
If the FO likes Mariota, they should take him , but if they aren't completely sold on him, they should make the deal as soon as possible. Jared Goff is going to garner more national recognition this season; he's an outstanding young player, who has shown great improvement over the last two years and he consistently delivers accurate passes with great velocity, while displaying good footwork .
So what about if Kelly is willing to trade Foles to get Mariota? I would rather have Foles than Mariota. I know there's an argument that Mariota has more upside, but I am not sure about that, either. Seems more like a bird in the hand v. not sure what is in the bush kind of deal.
If we could pull off that deal to get Foles and take their drafts pick I would claim Mac as our savior lol ( not really )but would be a very impressive deal to address much needed players at multiple positions.
RIGHT if you're talking about other positions. WRONG if you're talking about QBs. Every QB not named Manning or Luck is a "project" to one degree or another. Even if you're not completely sold on Mariota, he has a ton of talent and potential. When you've been as long as we have without quality QB play, you have to roll the dice. You may get "lucky" if you make the trade and he flops, but you're taking an awfully big chance on that, and if he develops you look like an idiot for passing on a franchise QB. Not worth the risk imo, but hey evidently, some of you are quite happy with the level of QB play we've been getting. Plus, I know that the Jets will never be a consistent winner until they have a quality starting QB. Nothing else matters until then. Having the #1 defense in the NFL doesn't make the QB play better and your offense score points. Having a great OL and giving your QB all day to find an open target doesn't matter if he can't hit the target once he throws it or if he makes poor decisions.
Right but there are QB's that have the fundamentals down. Even a guy like Sanchez had the fundamentals. It's all about developing the qb and putting him in the best position to succeed. When you get a guy that ran an unconventional offense in college the amount of work to develop that player is greater. Every qb in the draft has talent and potential so that's not really saying anything. Taking a project that high in the draft is very risky. And just because some people aren't sold on Mariotta it doesn't we are happy with mediocre qb play either. If you're not sold on the qb then don't draft him. There are more than one ways to skin a cat. Building an oline is vital look at Dallas this year. Building a talented team is vital. I'd rather do that than wasting time with project QB's.
With all of the jets needs I'm not a big fan of picking a QB in first round. Look back at the 2011 draft and look at all the awesome players out of the first round -- that is except for virtually every quaterback other than Cam. It wasn't just that they failed to live up to expectations many were just outright bad. Seems like for every Peyton or Luck you have a JaMarcus, Couch, a Heath Shuler, Leaf, Akili and so on.. On the other hand you look at this years superbowl and you have a third rounder and a sixth rounder , Montana was a third, Favre was a second, Kapernick a second. Marino was the fourth QB in his class (though 1st rounder). It's not in vogue in current NFL (where everyone seems to be hoping for some LeBron James-like one player leads to success) but in the not too distant past the good teams developed their quarterbacks, the first phase of which was riding pine and watching how it's done. Hoping Mac has vivid memories of Carr and is not looking for an instant fix I'd trade the pick if it brought decent value and try and load up on some quality O-line (which will improve the situation a lot -- our guards have been horrible and that's a huge problem) and line backers (and in later rounds a QB to develop). I'd use cap money to plug holes with people who more reliably can step in and contribute this year. And we'll have to get used to the idea that losing teams have to overpay for known quanties, which is always a disadvantage (the good teams get discounts on great players who have missed on those deep playoff runs)
People want to make joke of the lack of fundamentals Mariota has. I think it's a huge deal. Their excuse is that he's so smart, intelligent - he's 100% confirmed to get it. Blind faith they truly have. They overlook the fact that Winston is almost light years ahead of Mariota in regards to being a Pro Prospect. If the QB is truly a can't miss prospect, that QB should already be ready to play at the next level.
Exactly and if Mariota isn't where the fans think he should be then they're ready to move on to the next qb. I'm not saying he can't eventually get "it" but on the same token what if he never gets "it"? I'm not sold on Winston either but at least he has the fundamentals.
