It's about control, he wouldn't have final say in SF and would be butting heads with Harbaugh. None of that exists in Denver. Peyton has total control.
There's a difference between being a smart player and being a great talent evaluator. I think Tebow rescuing Denver changed a lot. Denver looked terrible until Tebow took over.
This still goes back to my original point though, if Tebow didnt turn that mess of a team that Denver was into a final 8 team, Peyton does not go to Denver. Tebow put the Broncos on the map, you guys forget just how bad they were and just how bad the stigma around the Broncos was at the time.
I don't think Tebow had a single thing to do with it. Manning probably did a mind boggling amount of research on every roster he was invited to join. He saw 6'4 and 6'5 receivers on the outside and knew he could recruit his old security blanket Jacob Tamme to help break the rest of the team in. He saw a defense with ability to disrupt the passer on a consistent basis, with Dumervil and the reigning DROY, getting him the ball back. He saw a great HFA playing at Mile High. If anything, Tebow made the offensive talent already on that team worse. I can't imagine any other quarterback in the NFL completing under 50% of his passes with Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker, and Eddie Royal catching your passes. His inability to sustain ANY drive put the defense if awful positions on a regular basis. Tebow miracled a few drives out of his ass to win games that the defense kept them alive in. Any other legitimate quarterback (I'm not counting Kyle Orton, the Denver fan base destroyed that guys confidence in himself by begging for the worst pass in recent history to replace him every time he threw an incompletion) and they win 10 games. SF and SEA had the defensive pieces in place, but Manning is an offensive guy, neither team had anything resembling the offensive pieces that Denver already had in place. This was a Manning-made football decision influenced by his research and desire to stay in the AFC, not Tim Tebow screwing up a talented offense.
Didn't call it a good defense, but one that can get after opposing QB's, especially when they're playing with a 2+ score lead.
I didnt say you did. The thing people forget is Elway CONVINCED Peyton to go to Denver, Elway was able to pull Peyton in for multiple meetings in order to sell the team. No one can deny Elways impact on the decision. It still makes me wonder what exactly Peyton saw in the defense, for an offensive genius he probably knew it was a defense he could just shred up because it was so bad.
players know who can play. I guarantee you he studied all those teams and watch individual players specifically. he knew exactly what he was getting into. and I still disagree. If they wound up stinking it would have motivated him more b/c he would have been looked upon as the savior even though Stevie Wonder could see the potential of the talent they had. defenses w/ quick scoring offenses will always look much worse than they actually are. Den's D was very good before this year and they are nowhere near as bad as the rankings suggest. they have had some key injuries which hurt them but this is not a bad D. I deny it, peyton is smart, he is not getting conned into going somewhere.
I'm sure he did, and the reality is the whole team played better when Tebow took over. The defense, the offense, the special teams. If anyone did film study on Denver pre-Tebow that season, they would not have been impressed, regardless of the record.
they weren't impressive but you could still see talent. It's like when BP came here, we were 1-15 but he knew he was walking into a team that had MUCH more talent than 1-15. These guys know what they are doing.
Im telling you man, that Denver team is complete garbage outside of Peyton Manning. Sure they have receivers but nearly every team has receivers. This Denver team reminds me of the Colts team that won 2 games the moment Peyton wasnt there. I dont like the defense at all, and I personally dont think John Fox is that spectacular either. I think at the end of the day the defense will cost Peyton again, it just isnt any good, and when the defense does cost Peyton he will have no one to blame but himself because he had every opportunity to go to Seattle or come here to the NY Jets.
This is on the money. Add in that Orton went 2-1 with a woeful KC team to close that season, and looked very good relieving Romo in the last game of last season, and the Denver fans who were screaming for Tebow not only knew nothing about football, but should be ashamed of themselves.
he has the most talent in the league to throw to be a WIDE margin. John Fox made a SB w/o Peyton and nearly beat a dynasty team(one Peyton couldn't beat w/ more talent), John Fox has won as many playoff games w/ Tim Tebow as he has w/ Peyton Manning. at the end of the day what is likely to cost Peyton is what has always cost him- peyton not being able to play his best in big games not his Ds which have pretty much always been good enough to win big with but as always there will be excuses made for Peyton blaming everyone but him. he was awesome throwing the season ending INT, well worth what Jerry Jones overpaid for him!:rofl2:
Are you joking with this? Garbage??? What team has receivers as good as Demaryius, Decker, Welker, Julius Thomas The o-line is very good, Moreno is excellent, Von Miller is elite(i know he is hurt, but still). John Fox took a team with Delhomme as QB and almost won a SB. Compare that to the Pats this year. Mannings talent is miles better than Bradys. O-line is about the same. Patriots probably have the better RBs but not by far. Half of the Pats D is on IR which cancels out Von Miller being hurt. Chris Harris to IR really hurts Denver. We know the Broncos should win this easily but we will see.
You are giving way to much credit to these receivers. Its amazing how quickly people forget that Peyton has continuously been able to turn no name players into absolute stars. Prior to 2009 nobody knew who guys like "Austin Collie" and "Pierre Garcon" were but by the end of the year these guys were front and center every week and went from nobodies into NFL stars. Why? Peyton Manning. Demarius Thomas was considered a bust prior to Peyton arriving. Tebow's play to him put him back on the map but no one considered Thomas a #1 reciever at the time when Orton was the QB. Im not trying to discount the reciever either but I dont think any of us would know who Julius Thomas is if Peyton Manning isnt throwing to him. You noticed how quickly all of the Colts weapons became borderline irrelevant in 2011 when Peyton wasnt throwing to them? Its not like Kerry Collins didnt take a team to the Super Bowl either, so you cant really use having a garbage QB either as an excuse as to why all those great receivers numbers dropped off the earth.
How come Garcon had by far his best year this year w/ RG III? why did Garcon's #s go up the year after peyton when Indy had the worst QB play I have ever seen? Collie has been HURT which is the only reason his #s have gone down. Thomas was not considered a bust, he was expected to be really good. he came out of a run heavy O and was adjusting to the NFL. we saw bits and pieces of his talent w/ awful QB play(Tebow and Orton). Julius Thomas was on the roster last year, how come the great peyton didn't make Thomas good last year? Peyton has probably his most talented weapons ever and that is saying something w/ the incredible talent he has played with sine day 1. Does he make them better? absolutely and they make him better too. If he's the QB of NE's weapons this year there is no way he's still playing. he's never had to deal w/ mediocre talent on O like Brady has most of his career.
2011 Indy called a 40+ yr old QB off his couch a week before the season. They had no QBs and the team quit but even w/ that: Reggie Wayne had almost 1,000 yds receiving Garcon caught 3 more balls, had 163 more rec yds and the same # of TDs Clark's #s were almost identical Garcon would have a career year w/ a mediocre RG III this year Wayne had his 2nd most yds and recs w/ a rookie Andrew Luck last year can we stop w/ this stuff please? he's been fortunate to have the best weapons I think of any QB in NFL history as far as consistently great weapons to throw to.
You do not have any recollection of what even happened. Go do some research and then we can talk about this. The fact that you didnt even know that other teams other than the Broncos pursued him shows that you have no clue what even went on. This is what you said originally: Junc do research and then come back, please, you have no knowledge about this topic clearly.
