dink and dunk continuation.

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  1. Beamen

    Beamen New Member

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    How can you say this so definitively....?

    We have a two game sample set from him.... It's completely bizarre that you can write him off so quickly, especially when QBs who ARE considered the answer (Leinart, Cutler, etc) have not looked as good as Kellen, with significantly more starts.....
     
  2. Hemi

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    Jeez, just his second start and already people are calling him Glenn Foley. What a great bunch of experts we have here. Jets fans are never happy unless they have something to bitch about.
     
  3. ANJI

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    KC's legs were huge in that game. 70 yards running for a QB is like another 100plus yards in throwing. That's a good weapon to have.
     
  4. youraveragejoe29

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    i dont know how anyone can complain about clemens play against washington. 226 yds 1 td and 0 turnovers without coles, with cotchery having one of his worst games as a starter with 2 uncharacteristically big mistakes (fumble and dropped pass, in my opinion he gets a pass for this week, hes been one of the few bright spots on the season as a whole), and only mccareins and smith as any real recieving threat behind him.

    the only negative i could see worth talking about is some high or overthrown passes here and there, but i fully believe he can improve his accuracy as he develops more chemistry with these recievers.

    also, someone mentioned it earlier, but if leon catches that ball down the sideline that was literally placed onto his shoulder, you can add another 60 yards and a touchdown to clemens stats. if he had roughly 300 yards and 2 tds, there wouldnt be one person here saying he doesnt have a chance to be the future, or making absoluute ridiculous comments comparing him to glen foley.

    at this point in the season, clemens is giving me a reason to watch every single game still.. and i cant even wait to see just how having coles on the field changes his overall play...
     
  5. KSJets

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    That pass to Leon looked like it was going to lead him out of bounds though. You would think we would see Leon on more plays like that instead of just dumpoffs. Remember, that was essentially the same play they ran against the Giants in preseason. Leon can provide mismatches but for some reason the OC doesn't utilize him (or others) well.
     
  6. Flyboy

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    double post.
     
  7. Flyboy

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  8. HardHitta

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    True there should of been 10 more completions and about 100 more yards to his totalls.
     
  9. Green Lantern 80

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    I thought Kellen did great. If anything, we need to complain about the receivers. I stopped counting how many balls they dropped or how many times they stopped running their routes. There was one play where the TE ran 5 yards and appeared to be leisurely jogging down the field - oops was that a ball that sailed past my ear??? I realize with Chad as QB, he could release the throw, the receiver could run up to concessions, get a hot dog, run back down to the field, and be back in time to have the pass float in front of him only to be intercepted by the other team. Wake up recievers!
     
  10. retroicon

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    another week, more bad play calling ...
     
  11. Br4d

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    There's nothing to suggest at this point that the current coaching staff can evaluate talent well enough to know what we have in Clemens. They really have not done a good job of matching talents to schemes on either side of the ball to date.

    If the current regime is still in place next season we probably will continue to see floundering on both sides of the ball as square pegs keep failing to fit into round holes.

    Give Clemens to a real NFL coaching staff and he might or might not be a very good player. That's still open to debate. Clemens may even turn out to be a very good QB under Mangini, however everything the Jets have tried so far this season has turned to dust under his watch.
     
  12. ToddtoBarkum

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    2 down field throws and both should have been caught...Leon down the side line - approx a 25 yard pass (BTW. Same play they opened the pre-season game with against the Giants)...Brad Smith got alligator arms on a seam route that would've been good for 20+...The only other down field throw was to Cotchery to start the OT.

    I agree with you that abandoning the run once again was a huge mistake....

    What I take from last week was that we could have Namath in his prime come in and start and we would run the same offense. Just as when Chad was the starter ALL passes are run outside the #'s....Only 1 yes 1 crossing route was run all day on Sunday and that was Cotchery's grab in OT. Our WR's run down the field and run essentially what is a button hook...There are no slants, no out and ups, no flooding zones...my kingdom for more than 1 player (Cotchery) that runs over the middle. There is nothing in our passing schemes that makes a Safety or a CB get crossed up in coverage. COMPLETELY VANILLA.... and I understand that Clemens is essentially a rookie.... but let the guys play the game...Schotty is got to open up the playbook and I mean rin pass routes, not routes that I have my son run when we play in the street.

    One last rant.... Someone explain to me how the OC of a 1-7 team calls a play when at the opponents 20 yard line with under 1 minute to play in regulation that has... NONE OF THE 4 WR'S RUNNING THERE ROUTES INTO THE ENDZONE???..MAYBE 1 GUY COULD GET IN THE ENDZONE?? HOW ABOUT THAT NONE OF THE 4 WR'S RAN A PASS ROUTE INSIDE THE 10 YARD LINE????. WATCH THE REPLAY... I'll bet dinner on it.. Maybe it was conservative because of the expected blitz??, but our pass blocking has not been an issue...and even if the blitz was a concern how come the WR routes don't call for the WR to enter the space vacated by the blizting palyer. Wash blitzed #30 all game and all he did was come from in the middle of the field. Why not blitz him when we don't utilize that part of the field?

    I really think that Mangini / Tannenbuam need to have an in season evaluation of their coaching staff. Tell them that THEIR Jets career is on the line based on the rest of the year.., which they probably know, but maybe lighting a fire under their asses will get the players into better postions to allow us to win games...
     
  13. BlairThomas#1

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    I don't disagree with what you are saying, but perhaps if you'd open up the playbook, you wouldn't not see any of the plays you mentioned above in there.

    I am not shitting on Chad, but the Shotty clearly designed an offense this year similar to Hackett's for Pennington. Why he switched from last year? Why he abandons the run? Why his play-calling lack any imagination in the flow of the game is beyond me.
     
  14. red75bronco

    red75bronco Well-Known Member

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    Bottom line is the playcalling sucks and if you are in lala land, you can still blame it on Chad. I for one, think we have 2 good QB's.
     

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