What is the difference between a team who’s underperforming due to change and the defense sucks. You start by proclaiming a difference and tbh I was on the edge of my seat to at the difference. 2nd paragraph - yawn. No one said the defense isn’t JDs “fault”. The smart people are saying a decline is to be expected, you know scheme and personnel changes et al. As someone who loves to read and absorb new info, I can’t wait to hear how to judge the difference a team going through changes and one who’s just bad. Obviously having a scheme change and a roster turnover isn’t a way to judge so I’m dying to find out.
Not bringing in his scheme is more akin to the bandaid comment. Personally, I’d rather suffer through a couple seasons of a leaning curve than a couple decades of mediocrity. *im not sure how you can suggest the scheme doesn’t fit the roster he’s building. On first glance I assume you mean inherited.
well no shit on not wanting decades of mediocrity, it would be nice to win some time — His best player is a defensive lineman, he gave big money to another one and drafted in the first round for a scheme that uses d lineman as part time players he drafted a corner no. 4 overall better suited for man, in a scheme designed around zone he ignores the linebacker position in a defensive scheme where it is the most important position
If you’re tired of mediocrity why are you against a rebuild. Or why are you unaware that a tear down is needed before a rebuild? Why do you not realize a teams record get worse during a tear down? I am amazed by the simple things you can’t grasp. Your post is riddled with opinions that I disagree with. Instead of going point by point, As a general response, I’m going to trust the people who do football for a living and have access to in depth research of prospects over a poster on a message board on which players will better fit and enhance the systems we’re using. For example. You say the LB is the most important position in this system while the coaches say it’s the DL. I’m sure you’ve put a lot of thought into it but I’m going with the CS’ view on this one.
The coaching staff that just ran the worst defense in Jets history. Also last in the league in points and yards allowed
As well as the coaching staffs of the 2 teams that made it to the NFC championship game last year. Thank you for avoiding more poorly thought out opinions and responding with a fact. An incomplete fact but a fact none the less. I genuinely appreciate it.
Yeah, bringing in Lawson and the Vet Curry gave us an acceptable group. I know why I think Lawson and Curry underperformed, but I’m curious to hear from you. What do you think happened to our DL btw signing an acceptable group coming in and day 1? Why do you think the DL coming in underperformed?
I believe I am less defending the CS and more pointing out mitigating circumstances. It’s like I tried to make a pizza using what was in the pantry: catsup and flour tortillas. It sucked. Was it my fault or the ingredients fault? I was able to get some better ingredients attempt 2. There’s no way to get all the ingredients in one trip do it still sucked. Is it the ingredients, the chef, or the fact it’s impossible to by all new ingredients quickly? Now I have flour, eggs, fresh tomatoes and cheese. Do you want to see how this pizza turns out or just bitch about the shitty pizzas made with shitty ingredients? I’m reserving judgement on the chef but it’s frustrating to see people not acknowledge the ingredients.
Please don’t avoid the question. Why do YOU think last year’s DL signings didn’t live up to expectations?
Agree completely. Year one draft with Gase still at the helm was a massive waste of time for JD. Trying to help add a couple of pieces for Gase to save face set us back tremendously. And for what, two meaningless wins knowing what we really needed to do is tear that shit down to the studs, flood the gates with young blood and fire Gase. It couldn’t have been much worst record wise but with a much brighter future. Had we done that, we would have been far ahead this past year and on our way for 2023 with a joint GM and HC plan. So I pay no mind to year one with Gase. It was wasted to apease the ownership. Is 4-13 and counting for your me with JD. Is also time to accept what last year was about. A much need top to bottom purge, based on a massive rebuild frocked with rookie coaches, rookie players and a disproportionate amount injuries. And as painful as it was, it was a truly breath of fresh air from the humiliating year before. This year is the pivotal one where much improvement is expected to continue down the right road. Fuck the rest.
While I agree with a majority of your post, what would you have had JD do year 1? What specific actions or inactions do you see setting us back.
You don't get the worst defense in franchise history just because of misfortune. When it's as bad as it was last year it means pretty much everything went wrong. Bad coaching, bad scheme, some misfortune with injuries. Take a look at the defensive roster in Gase's last season and then look at it in Saleh's first. There is very little question the roster was better in Saleh's first year, even accounting for injuries. Saleh/Ulbrich took a better roster from league-average defense the year before to worst in franchise history the following year.
And they let up 79 points combined in the two meetings with New England, a team that is also rebuilding. You can rebuild and not be trash, it is possible
Because we ignored injury histories when we made them? Carl Lawson has now played 2 full seasons out of 5 in the NFL. Because we got what we were looking for but the scheme just blew chunks and it didn't matter? Sheldon Rankins gave us exactly what we should have expected with a season that looked remarkably like one of his average seasons. Note that he also had an injury history that could have blown up in our faces but didn't. The facts are that the CS and Joe Douglas were equally responsible for the failures last season - which were legion.
I didn’t mention misfortune. Did you mention misfortune? You mention that misfortune alone can’t be the reason for our bad D but somehow take a leap to 4 factors you mentioned all being necessary. I can’t take that leap with you. You also imply the D roster was noticeably better under Saleh’s 1st than Gase’s 2nd. I also can’t get behind that. Marginally better, possibly. CB? 1 rookie and 1 2nd yr for both years S? Maye and late round rookies/jag both years DL? LBs? Did the other Q blow you away? Feel free to point out any significant upgrades I missed. Was the talent marginally better? Yes Could the marginal improvements be mitigated by a change in systems? Yes
