2 comments: 1- even belichick plays a true 4-3 20-40% of the time. hell, our first game last year NE played a true 4-3 the ENTIRE game. point is, the jets will also play a true 4-3 'some' of the time, 20-40% perhaps. having drob line up with coleman, jenkins, and ellis, and backed up by pace, thomas, and harris would not be a bad thing. after playing two seasons as an undersized 2-gap NT in a 3-4, playing only in the true 4-3 alignments plus spelling jenkins/coleman/ellis on occasion in the 3-4 would greatly preserve drob's knee. we would NEVER pick up drob as a FA with his contract to be a 'situational' player, but since we seem stuck with him on some level, it's easy to create alignments that play to his strengths. no other team in the nfl would have the 3-4 AND 4-3 personel that the jets would have if we were to end up with him. we may even play 50-50 3-4 vs 4-3 just because we can. comments? 2- second comment: while i was waiting in the doctors office for my penis reduction surgery, i leafed through some brochures and one brochure (now's when i get serious) described significant breakthroughs in titanium based knee replacement surgery. the entire knee joint is replaced with a titanium ball/socket, with all tendons and ligemements reattached more securely than they were attached to the original bone. the 'bone ends of the joins' extend into the leg bones 8-12 inches with a knurled surface that encourages bone growth and attachment directly to the metal. the borchure claimes that new breakthroughs in joint design, ligement attachements, etc result in a pain free joint that is more funtional, stronger, and more durable than the original joint. so.....take a young player like drob with a bone/bone condition who can afford the 1.5-2 years to fully recover, rehab, and strength train. can anyone who is familiar with joint replacement comment? will this ever be an option for active athletes like drob?
Quote: "...we would NEVER pick up drob as a FA with his contract to be a 'situational' player, but since we seem stuck with him on some level, it's easy to create alignments that play to his strengths. no other team in the nfl would have the 3-4 AND 4-3 personel that the jets would have if we were to end up with him. we may even play 50-50 3-4 vs 4-3 just because we can. comments?" Mangini is developing a 3-4 / 4-3 hybrid defense that is best defined as a misdirection strategy. The "Mush" alignment is typical of the strategy, even though it doesn't look like either the 3-4 or the 4-3 alignment. DRob has been a successful part of this evolution of Mangini's defense, and he knows how to make a contribution. Whether DRob's knee lasts one year, two years, or three years, or more is really a function of his will at this juncture. The realization of this fact by other teams has turned out to be unnerving to some but not all of the personnel in each team. But the dissonance in the consensus process has been enough to kill the business of the deal in the case of Denver and Cincinnatti. As Mike Tannenbaum intimated earlier this week, this is not the case with the NYJ and DRob. We know what to do with DRob. They will renegotiate his contract to be more cap friendly when the time comes and nurture his infirmity as best they can (no practice on Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday during the season) and DRob will do his thing on Sunday. There is probably no other team that can get as much from DRob as the NYJ will be able to. Unless there someone really enlightened and in fiscal control of one of these alternative teams, DRob will be dealing with the NYJ in my opinion. He is a strength for us, by the way, not a weakness. Mangini has known about the bone-on-bone problem all along, and the team has developed a protocol to maximize DRob's productivity. I hope we respect his commitment and give him a chance to get a lot better in the coming season.
I'm trying to figure out what his motivation would be to restructure. -The 3.6 million that we will pay if we cut him is bonus money that he has already been paid that will be on our cap no matter what. -The other 8.4 million is salary? that he will not receive if cut, so he gets no money if cut? -This means that he would be free to sign, so it really is in our best interest to at least get some production out of a guy on our cap. Maybe give him a 2-4 million to stick around. -The other question is, can he fail a physical to the point where the league will not let him play? In that case, he's f'ed.
so.....take a young player like drob with a bone/bone condition who can afford the 1.5-2 years to fully recover, rehab, and strength train. do you know how fat he would get during that time? it would be like shawn kemp during the nba strike x3
I'd say DRob is canned before June. ---------------------------------- In fact, I think keeping DRob now makes a lot of sense, in that the Jets defense finally got the wide body it's been sorely lacking in Jenkins - so if the Jets are willing to go 4-3 alignment, now is the time to do so, with Jenkins and DRob at the tackle. Then, there is this "Vilma" thing ; he is supposed to be the beneficiary of the wide body in front of him as well, no? True, the Jets do have another competent MLB in Harris, but from the way I see it 3-4 MLBs are much different from 4-3 MLBs, and if the Jets had any intention whatsoever about keeping 4-3 in their defensive arsenal, trading Vilma away is about the last thing they would be considering. Thus, I'm forced to conclude that... the Jets don't quite intend to employ 4-3 as much. - this in turn means DRob will either have to take a huge paycut, or get cut himself.
I'm not blaming anyone. I don't care what it cost to bring him here. The basic facts at this point include the following: -We take almost a 12 mill cap hit to keep him -He does not fit well in our defense -We have tried unsuccesssfully to trade him for almost a month. -There are now reports of him failing a physical with another team Can he be useful? Sure, but is a bit of usefullness worth the cap ramifications of keep him on board? The jets don't see to think so, or we would not be attempting to trade him. He *could* still play downs at NT, but are you willing to pay a back up 12 mill? I'm not. I doubt that Tanny and Mangini are as well. He *could* be a decent fit at end, but the FO seems happy with Coleman and Ellis there. He would be adapting to a new role, that is is not the typical build for and may not work out at. Not worth the risk on a maybe. So its 4 mil to the junk yard, or 12 mill to the junk yard. Not as hard as a decision as it seems.
Can they Make him "BIGGER STRONGER.... FASTER"? Would a Bionic Drob be against any rules? Heck, now that I think of it, Bellichik has probably done this already.
I don't think there is even a question about paying him 12 million. If he didn't restructure down to what a backup is worth he would be cut, plain and simple. I think the talk about keeping him assumes that he will as his other options may be just as limited.
at this point i say we just tell d-rob to redo his contract, and stay with us. he's obviously got to see he's not a hot commodity by anyone elses standards.
Aye you are right. I must have missed the last line in the post I was responding to. The NyQuill is a wonderful cold drug, but can leave you a bit addled. :grin:
didnt want to start a new thread on this, just heard robertson might be cut, what a waste of a #4 pick overall, we should have just kept those 2 1st rounders we gave up for his sorry overated ass! [ baby sapp what a joke] dumbass herm and bradway
Well, those two picks ultimately went on Michael Haynes and Rex Grossman so I'm not sure who got the worst end of that deal. Reading that article I would guess he won't renegotiate with us either. He obviously wants to pick his own team.
