Because they're the Yankees and they suck. And Jeter is not clutch. Even though we was the 2000 WS MVP. Too bad I forget who we played that year.
Who would you call "studs" in the Yankees minor league system? I would say Hughes and Vechionacci are the only studs down there. They do have a lot of depth though with pitchers like DeSalvo, Clippard and Cox and versitile hitters like Cabrera and Henry. According to ESPN the day that the Mets signed Beltran: Believe what you want to believe, but I trust the AP over the fan.
Awimba weh, awimba weh, in the jungle the mighty jungle, the yankees sucked tonight, i can't percieve, my mighty team, Went 1-2 in the series... Hopefully we sweep next team is what i want to see... Hehehehe....
I'm not going to claim that the mets franchise historically is even close to the yankees. The yankees are the greatest franchise in american pro sports. But somehow, the fact that the yankees won a million championships in the 1920s negates any right non-yankees fans have to debate whether or not Jeter is overrated (which is what this thread was supposed to be about).
Tabata is on the verge of becoming one of the best prospects in all of baseball. Hughes is a stud, Vechionacci is very close, but has to produce a little more before I proclaim him a stud. Duncan is still a stud. He went back to the old batting stance he used before the Yankees drafted him, and ever since he started using it, he has looked like the power threat we expected. The depth is incredible, especially with pitching and the outfield. Hughes has elite potential, Clippard looks to be a strong #2/#3. DeSalvo, Marquez, Garcia, White all have the ability to give strong performances in the middle-back of the rotation. Cox is a better all-around reliever than Craig Hansen, the only reason Hansen was drafted a little higher was because of his K/9 rate. Also factor in Smith, Beam, and *crosses fingers* Henn, the pitching is awesome. The outfield might be even better. Melky Cabrera was the guy who, about a year ago, was the target to become the CF of the future. Now he's the 4th or 5th best CF prospect in the entire organization. Two scouts I saw said Tabata is so incredible. They compare his bat potential to Manny Ramirez. Tabata is a five-tool player, and the only thing that would keep him from being considered a top 10 prospect would be that he'll only be 18 in 2007. We also have Battle, Jackson, and Gardner. Jackson and Gardner look to be average hitting outfielders with great speed and range. I was expecting CJ Henry to be moved to the outfield, but he won't be now with all the depth that has developed. Henry is another guy who is a five tool guy, and I'm hopeful he will be a big time prospect by the end of 2007, maybe mid-2008. Right now the full-fledged "studs", IMO, are Hughes, Duncan, Tabata, and Cox. Vechionacci can easily get there with some more production this year. He was incredibly young last year and still played well. He has Gold Glove potential at 3B, and should definitely have a strong, 115 OPS+ type of bat. Clippard could emerge as a "stud" this year, but I expect him to be a level below, and be a #2 type in the majors for years.
And in a couple of years they can form a support group with Homer Bush and the rest of the Skanks over hyped ex-blue chips.
Homer Bush would be one of the worst prospects in the entire system if the Yankees had this type of farm back then.
Not yet, because a lot of the talent is really young. But it is already near top 10, and will be top 5 within the year.
Just saying. And when the realize they are gonna need to upgrade the staff, say goodbye to some of your better prospects.
The only way they would ever give up a prospect or two of any substance would be if they got a young stud in return. And they can afford to trade one of their "better prospects", because they have such depth.
10Pennington10, you're right that I forgot to include Duncan who for one reason or another just slipped my mind. Tabata has really great potential but I don't consider him anywhere near a top 10 prospect at this point. And I think that you greatly overrate J. Brent Cox, who is a finesse pitcher who has the potential to be (hopefully) a solid to good middle reliever or even a setup man. Hansen has the potential to be a dominating closer.
i hope youre right about all the prospects...but theres no doubt that our system has both sucked and been overrated for 10 years.....and about us trading some of these guys away....youre either crazy or you havent been a yankee fan too long if you dont think theyll trade 1 or 2 of these guys away for something other than ayoung stud.....if we need a pitcher later on which by the looks of this staff we will,after investing 190 million this year you can bet your ass we'll give up a young guy for maybe a solid veteran,not just a young stud
Tabata isn't a top 10 prospect yet, but he will be once he gets a full year, year and a half of ABs under his belt. Cox will likely be a strong middle relief or set up guy, but his ceiling (if he develops a third pitch, which I believe is in the works) is definitely as a dominator. His slider is incredible.
Brian Cashman hasn't had complete authority ever before. Now he does, and he won't trade top prospects for anything other than an elite, young player in return.
Like you said, he needs to develop a 3rd pitch and it has to be strong. Right now he has to use his fastball to set up his slider, which often gets pitchers in trouble (look at Keith Foulke's troubles when he lost effectiveness on his changeup.) If he doesn't have control of the slider on any given outing he is a fish out of water. He really can become a good pitcher though and I would be surprised if he doesn't end up being a contributor to a good bullpen. I just don't think that he's on Hansen's level.
