Clearly you still think there is a decent chance Zach can develop into a really good franchise player. Now, let's suppose this is true and we got Rodgers in, spend the picks, etc... Rodgers is durable, and will start next year. Zach won't play, which means we won't pick up his 5th year option. Now, 2023 is in the books, Zach has one more year left on his contract before becoming UFA. Rodgers has 50 mil guaranteed for 2024 and we just spent picks to get him. He will start 2024, unless he sucks in 2023, which I don't think he will. I also don't think he is traded again with 1 year left in his career. More than likely if we get him, he plays 2 years here. That puts Zach as UFA in 2025. He will not re-sign here, if we get Rodgers, I just don't see this. His only path would be Rodgers injury. And Aaron is pretty durable. Now let's suppose we get Carr even to 4 year deal. Same story 2023 will be in the books, we don't pick up the option. But, where I see a difference is if Carr plays decent, but not too great (say like he did last year but for the Jets) and Zach shows well in practice, coaches might make him a starter over Carr in a year. Then trade Carr. That won't be hard to do. So, to me because Aaron is a better player than Carr and both will be under contract for two years, the likelier path for Zach to start for the Jets is actually Carr, not Rodgers. Now, I don't think the path is very likely in either case, but with Aaron I just don't see it happening at all, because I think Aaron will player really well - top 10 level, while there is a chance Carr won't.
What the fuck, man. This is really offensive to me. No need to attack a religion on a Jets message board.
Well, he did get Adams last year, and Adams got his 1516 yards last year, 14 TDs. This is a little less than during Rodgers MVP year the year before (1553), but still pretty darn good. Actually had more TDs than the year before. Looks like Carr delivered to him. But Darren Waller only started 6 games. Hunter Renfrow started 1 game. Josh Jacobs ran the ball very well, and also Carr gave him career high receiving in 400 yards. Protection from OLIne also wasn't that great. So, two of the these 4 ridiculous weapons he had did eat. The other two though were injured. Beyond them the weapons are not so ridiculous. And the Raiders ultimately had #12 offense in NFL in spite of these injuries. Defense was #26. Which one do you think was the bigger problem? I think it all depends on the expectations. I don't think Carr gives us top 10 QB in NFL, like Rodgers may. But he could be #12 QB in NFL. And who knows, offense may be even better than #12 if our OLine can improve and Moore utilized to potential. I know we all want top 5 QB. That is why we drafted Zach with #2 overall pick. But when it doesn't work out, it's not so easy to get a top 10 guy. Heck, we had #32 QB play for the past 15 years, that's how hard it is to even get a decent QB. If we can get Rodgers, great, but if not - Carr is the best option.
“Ridiculous weapons” only make a difference when they are on the field. Renfrow and Waller each missed more than 7 games. Adams played all 17 and almost had a career year. This post doesn’t track.
Nicely done. I like how you couched the NFL current scenario. Agree with most all of it. Its all about what sells to the big pocket sponsors to provide a fan starved SB mega show. Buffalo however will always be Buffalo and a new stadium will not place them in the big leagues, JA and all have not yet figured out how to play in the ultimate stage and last year if anything they declined. Burrows and the Bengal boys on the other hand have shown plenty of excitement and were a couple of putrid ref calls away from being there again. Next to Mahomes, no one can steal the big light like Burrows , except of course for the one that could create a script for yet another legendary SB, resurrecting the ghost of #12 for the NY Jets with a guaranty of a victory, the vision of none other than AR trotting out of the stadium in a cloud of mushroom dust with his two fingers up un the air. Finally, out of the darkness.
For the record, I would rather have Carr over Rodgers just to save the picks, but my preference is to sign a project like Davis Mills and throw an educated dart at the draft. Its not time yet for an expensive merc whose contract would end, and likely reverse, any serious building. However, Carr having a lot of 4th qtr comebacks on losing teams against other losing teams doesn't make him a crunch QB. Crunch time is when your playing for the division, or to get into the show. Part of Carrs problem is he struggles in cold weather. He has never won a game in freezing conditions, and his offenses average 11 points in games 36 degrees or lower. And we wanna pay the guy a boatload to come play in NY. Bad moves like this are why we are the Jets.
We had the worst QB play in NFL during this entire play-off drought of 12 years. It's the opposite: we haven't made moves like this and we sucked bad. Time for a change.
We haven't signed big money FA busts or used insane draft capital on QBs with huge red flags? At this point Carr is trending downward in many ways. Mostly how badly he handled his Raider exit. When he made mistakes he threw his team mates under the bus. He whines when coaches criticize him. When he got benched he left the team rather than mentoring Stidham before his first start. Then he rejected all trade offers guaranteeing they couldn't get anything back for him. His contract will likely force us to release a good player, or two, over the next 2 seasons. Add to that he cant play in cold weather and is a fumbling machine and this isn't the change we are looking for.
Part of Carr’s problem is he’s played for the Raiders for 9 years. Really hard to be competitive when you have the worst defense in the league over that period of time. I also don’t buy into this “cold weather” narrative, he’s from California and played home games in Oakland and Vegas, so yeah, it was a bit of a change for him when he would go into colder environments. You really think that’s gonna be the case after he lives, practices, and plays games in NY/NJ for a few months? Carr’s not a top 5 guy, but he’s absolutely a top 10-15 guy. He’s a guy that you can win with if you have the right pieces. We might not have all of those pieces right now but with guys like Quinnen, Sauce, GW, Breece, etc. we’re well on our way. Sign Carr, draft some more help for the OL and a LB/S and we’re ready to rock in 2023.
Good, now maybe you can see it from the other side. There’s literally people that don’t want to sign the guy because of the way he practices spirituality. We’re talking about a guy one year removed from back to back MVP seasons, who with a badly injured thumb on his throwing hand still had as good a season last year as just about any that Carr has ever had in his life and we don’t want him because the way he practices his spirituality is “weird”?!? Name one player that ever had a problem playing with Rodgers. Name one time his personality got in the way of winning. If he said he was taking 4 days to pray with his pastor no one would blink an eye, but because it’s a means of spirituality that doesn’t conform to others norms everyone wants to paint him as some crazy locker room cancer.
As far as major FA busts, yes we signed some busts, but also some good players, but not really QBs. So this point is not even applicable. We have, however, used draft capital on bust QBs, for sure, but short of guys like TL, drafting QB is a gamble. We failed 5 times in the first 2 rounds in the last 10 years, while having no play-off appearances. We also had multiple mid round guys fail to become solid starters, like Pretty, Morgan, White. Signing a good FA QB is the opposite of this. We are talking about signing a solid 10-15 range QB, who is a 4 time Pro Bowler, not old, whose average season is 4000 yards, 24 TDs, 11 INTs, 65% completion, 92 passer rating, in spite of having the worst defense in NFL with all pressure on him. We haven't signed a guy like this since Favre in 2008. So, no, it's not same old Jets, it's the opposite of what we have tried during the play-off drought, which resulted in the worst QB play in NFL.
There's no other side to see. People don't have a problem with his spiritually. They have a problem with him taking 4 days off while the crunch is on for the Jets to sign a QB. If he had said he was taking 4 days to go to Vatican City and pray with the Pope, people would have the same issue. What you said was fucking offensive and if that is allowed then what next? We start bagging on Saleh for being a Muslim? I'm sure @Brook! would appreciate that. There's no place for that kind of speech on a fucking football message board.
Carr makes this team a playoff contender and didn't cost any compensation. He'd be these QB we had in forever.
Just wanted to point out that this "Aaron Rodgers will cost multiple 1st round picks" nonsense is exactly that. If Rodgers wanted to play for the Jets the Packers could either trade him to us, getting a huge amount of cap and financial relief in return or they could keep him. A deal that would make sense for the Jets would be a conditional draft choice plus Zach Wilson for Rodgers. You could make the conditional choice up to a 1st round pick next season if the Jets won the Super Bowl with Rodgers playing QB for us. Maybe a 4th round pick as the baseline. That's how an Aaron Rodgers trade becomes a win-win-win for the Packers, the Jets and Aaron Rodgers. Anything more costly than is just us doing the SOJ thing again.
