Likely scenario isn't good enough a basis for something that will ruin a person. Period. Ask that other "person of interest", Richard Jewel. Oh you can't. He's dead. Legally, if you have only circumstantial evidence and there is an alternative explanation you have no basis for guilt. I know this isn't a legal proceeding, but if bungled it could end up that way. With information coming out that the pressure deficit was more like 1 psi the league has a huge problem, that being that just temperature explains the loss of pressure and the NFL doesn't measure temperature. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...have-caused-football-deflation-234639741.html http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/25/nfl-bears-plenty-of-blame-for-deflategate/ http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/26/d...out-how-deflated-pats-balls-really-were-video http://scienceblogs.com/principles/2015/01/23/tom-brady-and-the-ideal-gas-law-physics-of-deflategate If you can't make circumstantial work, then yes you need something pretty concrete, like an admission. Or video.
" here is the issue you expect people to listen to your points of view while totally ignore basic facts. Crap you can't ignore the science but you guys want to believe that the atmospheric pressure changed the ball pressure. That is not plausible. The temp at 1/2 time would have to be in the teens. So now it was the way the balls were rubbed. The internal air temp would need to be 125 degrees. Teenagers don't rub their balls that much to get the internal air temp that high. they cheated science and physicsal proves it without a shadow of doubt. All that remains is how and who. everything else is bluster
This is completely wrong, Johnnie Cochrane. You have means, motive and opportunity (for both Brady and Belichick) ... and that is what you need to have a basis for guilt. You also have direct evidence that a violation occurred - you have the officials claiming the balls were checked 2 hours before gametime (and of the proper inflation) and that they were checked at halftime (and deflated by 2 PSI). Is there an alternative explanation (the weather - the officials lied - ball boy did it on his own without prompting by Belichick/Brady)? Maybe, but whether or not it is credible is a different story. What you don't have (presumably) is an admission of guilt or video evidence of the violation taking place. But guess what? All over the country, every day, people are prosecuted without an admission of guilt or video evidence. 99% of prosecutions that go to trial have neither an admission of guilt or video evidence.
Not only that but this is the NFL not a court room anyway. The NFL punishes teams/players all the time with a lot less evidence, sometimes merely an accusation. For some reason with the Patriots, who have even cheated in the past, they need to have a certified video of Belichick personally deflating each ball before they do anything to him but they'll banish Sean Payton, for example, for 1 year because "he should've known".
If true he took a #1 for 90seconds I have to say this story needs to die now. But 90seconds is enough to poke a hole in 11 balls though. Overall at this point I think its even more clear now that they won't get a penalty. Sent from my LG-LS720 using Tapatalk
Why wouldn't the ball boy take a piss before picking up the balls? It probably won't ever be proven but only a complete freaking idiot or someone who desperately doesn't want to believe it thinks something wasn't done to those balls, footballs during that time.
Means motive and opportunity are some of the prerequisites needed. You also need to prove a crime was committed, which is not at all established because there are alternative explanations for the pressure loss. Its also pretty questionable that 90 seconds in a bathroom is opportunity and means. I'm sure a lot of people will be researching that one though.
You could poke 11 in probably 25sec or so. There's no cameras in the bathroom though so ball boy won I guess. Sent from my LG-LS720 using Tapatalk
The question is can you suspend a coach or levy a million dollar fine on that basis? This is what the NFL has to determine . Otherwise they are going to have to eat this and that screams incompetence.
From Toucher and Rich ^^^ During BB's Press conference he specified that the team gets them that the team gets them the way they like them and when they turn them in they request the refs put the balls at 12.5 psi.
I don't know what to think anymore. The NFL leaks are starting to get ridiculous. I know it's bad for the investigation, but I think the NFL should say what they have to date and preface it with the fact that they are still investigating. It's a bad situation for the NFL, no matter how it ends up.
Bottom line, no matter how this turns out. Most of the country thought it was something they may have done, no one was shocked to hear NE may have cheated. That says something about your franchise.
If you look at the narrative it seems pretty damning: -balls leave refs room at proper PSI -attendant takes balls into bathroom for about 90 seconds out of view of any cameras -balls tested at half time are seen to be below the regulated amount Considering there have been numerous reports from actual scientists that BB's science project doesn't make any damn sense and the fact that 24 other balls (12 Colts and 12 backups) didn't lose any pressure the only real conclusion possible is that someone tampered with the balls and now there is evidence of someone from the organization handling the balls with the means to do so. You have Brady acknowledging in the past he likes deflated balls and BB stating he practices with overinflated balls because they are harder to catch/carry/throw (thus indicating he knows underinflated balls are easier), you have teams who were suspicious of it in the past, you have a coach with a cheating history, you have the charts indicating their astronomically different fumble rates and you have video evidence of someone taking the balls into a secluded area before the game. It's done. I don't know how they escape this. At the very least the franchise under the BB/TB years will be forever tainted.
It's a Boston sports radio talk show. Totally shocking they would come out and support whatever the Pats organization said.
Apologies if this article from yesterday was posted already, but my god, this it's a joke. Even if they can't find a smoking gun, this is about as close as you can get. http://www.slate.com/articles/sport..._became_nearly_fumble_proof_after_a_2006.html
Atmospheric conditions do change the pressure of the ball. Not only is that plausible, but that's reality. What the hell are you talking about? Regarding how much it changed, it's been reported recently that it may be closer to 1 PSI, so the temperature wouldn't need to be in the teens. The combination of the temperature change from the locker room to outside, COMBINED with any changes associated with "rubbing the ball" is what BB is claiming represents the PSI change. No one knows the actual details just leaked information and, at times, misinformation. There is hardly proof, no matter how many times you and the rest of the board says so. There isn't proof one way or another until we actually know the facts.
Ignorance of the effects of temperature on the ball is no excuse if the Pats did not know inflating it at a higher temperature and then using the ball at a lower temperature could cause the ball to fall below allowable PSI. The circumstantial evidence is fool proof even if fools keep trying to minimize it. There is no legal argument to be made as a comparison; the league can do as it pleases in this situation. The pats balls were deflated; the pats are responsible, plain and simple. It's convenient that fans want to argue it was just a mistake of ignorance, but that doesn't fly when the team has a history of knowing every possible rule and utilizing them to the limits to their advantage. The claim of ignorance is a convenient scape goat but doesn't fly as an excuse. Their ignorance, if that's all it was, is their problem to be held responsible for.
