Its his first year as a head coach. Cant define anything yet...examples...coaches year 1 Belichick (2000) 5 - 11 Parcells (1983) 3 - 12 - 1 Shanahan (1989) 7 - 9 Chuck Noll (1969) 1 -13 (1970) 5 - 9 (1971) 6 - 8...if he was coaching the Jets he would have been ran out of town half way through his third season Mangini went 10-6 and got to the playoffs his first year.... It takes more than one year to find out what a coach really has
He's a rookie HC. I hope this isn't the defining moment of his career unless we win and go on a long winning streak and begin a run of consistent playoff apps and success.
Why is "Crying" considered his last motivational tactic. He gave a speech and got emotional? So are you saying motivational wise he has burned all his chances to do so. I think that is a crazy statement. One thing Ryan has proven he can do is get up off the matt and also turn a possibly awkward situation in his favor (IE his press conference yesterday)
Is this the same guy who said he walks over guys like Channing Crowder to get to a fight??? All the yapping is blowing up in Rex's face. Shutup & win.
In a lot of ways this is the main problem right now. Ryan set the bar so high that he raised everybody's expectations to the point that any failure would resonate badly with them. The fact that the Jets are losing like clockwork right now just makes things worse in that regard. Rookie head coach mistake #1: don't tell people you have a great team and then not find ways to make them look great. This Sunday is either going to be an improbable win, which is always possible in a division game against a team that we have beaten recently, or it is going to be the Jets 3rd loss in a row and 6th in their last 7 games. If it's the latter we're going to find out how Rex Ryan loses when he's in a no-win situation - it's going to be his Kobayashi Maru and we'll see how he handles that. If the Jets lose and he goes to pieces again I think there's a good argument for firing him right now. If he keeps it together (as he did after the New Orleans loss - which was an admirable moment for him) then he's dealt with the situation appropriately and we keep moving forward. There's no disrespect intended here but a leader of men does not motivate his men by crying in front of them a lot. That's a sign of emotional distress and nobody wants to have that happen repeatedly when the chips are down, because it tells them that the person involved is not maintaining their composure at a time when that is the most needed attribute for a leader.
Personally I haven't made my mind up what to make of this arc going from tough talk to crying. On one hand there's more than one way to get things done, and that's not the approach I personally would use, and most coaches don't. But as others have noted Dick Vermiel was famous for being quick to cry, and he won. I don't think that's the real issue. I also don't think Ryan leaves after this season unless he melts down completely. Even going winless the rest of the way, standing alone, will not be enough to get him fired after one year. If the Jets truly suck the rest of the way, there will instead more likely be some big roster changes - who shows they deserved to stay? Who at that point failed to meet that standard? After all, while once again it would not have been the approach I would have chosen, you can't make too much of Ryan's touting his roster before the season. So, if they prove to be less talented than he had said, that won't be hung on him. What should be of more concern to us is not what he says about his job or his team but how he manages them. How do they respond to coaching? How does the CS itself perform? How do his game decisions work out? Do the players seem prepared, and merely fail to execute? Or do they seem just out and out unready, despite putting in real effort? All of these things are not that easy to assess, necessarily, but they are what we really should be looking at, even if the Jets continue to lose. And of course if somehow they get back to mostly winning, all these questions about Ryan will be forgotten.
Absent a straight-jacket type meltdown the only way Ryan gets fired after this season is if Tannenbaum does. Even then Ryan might survive the carnage for a year. Woody Johnson does not like clean sweeps. He is appropriately upset with failure and makes changes, but they are always half measures when he does it. If the Jets fail he's going to have to change that some day to get better results. The only way to change a culture effectively is from the head down and with sweeping changes. The Parcells move worked because Parcells came in with total control and few if any countervailing forces to give him issues. He was able to turn over the roster in record time because he didn't have to deal with the investments that the existing structure had in various players (Hugh Douglas, Adrian Murrell, Neil O'Donnell, Kyle Brady, Marvin Washington) and was able to look at somebody and make them gone without arguing with the old regime.
This is the type of threads I knew we'd see at the halfway point when the team was on it's way to 8-8.
The weak part of the schedule is finished. The Jets are going to have to play very well at this point to finish 8-8. There are two teams left on the schedule that the Jets are clearly better than, Tampa Bay and Buffalo - and they couldn't beat Buffalo the first go-round. There are four teams they are clearly worse than, New England, Atlanta, Indianapolis and Cincinnati. There's one toss up team, Carolina. Based on how the Jets have played so far they'll split against the worse teams and lose to everybody else. That's 5-11.
Yep. Predictions of 8-8 were not based on 2-4 or even 1-5 against the rest of the division. Unless the Jets win both against NE and Buffalo, it's hard to see them reaching 8-8 at this point...
The Jets won 3 games at the beginning of the season that they had no business winning, according to most people. That was murderer's row until the Titans showed that they were a paper tiger and the Jets showed how one-dimensional the Texans were and abused Brady in week 2. The Jets have been better than teams they lost to this year in many phases of the game, they just could not pull it together in the clutch. You definition of teams that the Jets are 'clearly worse than' means bupkus on Sunday. The Jets were better than the Phins in the second game and head and shoulders better than the Bills, and found ways to lose. The NFL is a fickel animal. Teams are never as bad or good as their record shows. I'm still calling an 8-8 season, because if I know the Jets, they will win some games they have no business winning to finish the season out. It's a developmental period for the team, they will either start showing improvement in a number of areas soon or end up spiraling into the abyss of a top 10 draft pick. I'm better on the former.
When people start to say that this week is a "defining moment" that is there hint that they will be calling for the axe if the Jets continue to lose this year.
The only ones who deserve the "axe" are the mildly retarded, bi-polar Jets fans who post the "Ryan unraveling" "Sanchez wackjob" stuff. With that being said...whats the over/under for the amount of "Put in Kellen Clemens" posts on the game day thread Sunday? I'm saying over 20...at least.
I agree if is meant a defining moment for Ryan, which is why I disagree with the context. If what is meant is defining the Jet season, imo that happened against the Jags.
That's a bullshit stance unless the team continues to let-down in the same fashion for the rest of the season. You can't decide on a defining moment before or during that moment. It's something that is realized in retrospect, with an objective viewpoint that allows for the entire season. The Jags game may have been the defining moment of 2009, but there's no way any of us could know that at this point.
The Jets have found a lot of different ways to lose during the collapse so far. They've lost because they faced a clearly better team (New Orleans), because the defense couldn't keep it together (Miami #1, Jacksonville), because the special teams collapsed (Miami #2) and because the QB and the OC were on different pages than reality (Buffalo). The rational viewpoint, given that sequence of events, is that they're going to keep finding new ways to lose games while occasionally revisiting one they've already tried. I hope I'm wrong about this but this season has got such a smell of Jetsness about it at this point that I'm skeptical. On the bright side we do have one thing that's not normally on the menu for our viewing pleasure at the end of lost seasons: a young QB who might be great someday soon. Small blessings can make all the difference.
I think Rex will be fine. Maybe he needs a little Zoloft to help with the crying/depression and a replacement for Jenkins. The Jenkins replacement might work better than Zoloft.
He should go steal the Zoloft out of Gholston's locker. Grab the Valium too while he's there. And grab some weed from Ellis.
I of course am not saying I know what is going to happen the rest of the season, but I don't think it is bs to say what I did. The Jets had lost four of their previous five, including an embarassing sweep to hated Miami. They went on the bye week, were playing at home knowing that they needed as a practical matter to win their next two to put themselves back in a reasonable position to contend for a playoff spot. Of those two games, the easier on paper was the Jags game. It was a home game, and in fact they were favored by seven points. A win would also have set them up better going into NE. It would have at least for one game turned around the slide. Imo, that was a critical moment to the season. Now, instead of a win, their loss shows the slide continued, they continued to find ways to lose at home, and failed to take advantage of the home game, the bye week, the supposed motivation they should have found in losing to Miami twice, and the prognostications of their HC were all in line with that. Now they are 4-5 with it likely to require no more losses to be assured of a playoff berth, and no more than one more to have even a reasonable chance to make it. They are in futher disarray, have real reason to question their own effectiveness, and get to go up to NE and play those guys at home. No, I don't think it was at all bs. If the Jets in fact turn their season around, they will have to do so now facing far greater odds than they did against Jville. Lower odds they faced and failed.
What happened in all the losses seems similar to me. Mistakes, not playing well in all three phases, has plagued this team all year. When one unit steps up, another springs a leak. That is the legacy of this season thus far.
