rob-rang.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/13682485/22523668 Sorry for no working link..post count under 50 Maybe more of a LB. But seeing how these guys can slip due to stereotypes...worth taking a shot in round 3 or 4 if available?
Everybody around here knows about Dontay Moch already. He's a hell of an athlete, but he's an incredibly raw player. He played a lot of linebacker at Nevada, so that will help him out when he makes the transition to 34 OLB. I think someone will overdraft him because of his workout numbers. If he falls to the third round, I'd have no problem with the Jets selecting him. He'd be a great value in the middle rounds. We saw a workout warrior Dorin Dickerson slip to the seventh round last year. ...maybe are starting to realize that Al Davis' draft strategy doesn't work.
I think... Jets future success depends more on 3-4 DE than 3-4 OLB, if the late trend of Ryan's adjustment is any indication. Moreover, since Ellis is getting old, and DeVito is very inconsistent in terms of absorbing double-team, I wouldn't be against going with 2 3-4 DEs this draft either. Pass rushers? If the front 3 starts absorbing the opposing OLs through double-team on a regular basis, pass rushers will start showing up even from the current Jets roster now. What I mean is; as long as Rex has enough SS/OLB tweeners (either undersized OLB or SS on a tad bit slower side - the kind of prospect you shouldn't have trouble getting with late round picks) on the roster, he shouldn't have problem blitzing the passer, provided the tweener knows how to tackle. From the personnel point of view, it might seem as though Rex is going with either 3-3-5 nickel or 3-2-6 dime, but in reality, it's all the same 3-4 we all have come to know and love. One of the safeties is LB - possibly. Maybe not. Only the defense, and Rex knows, depending on the call. Maybe two of the safeties are LBs, coming out of 3-3-5; then you get the 46 flavor. Once the defense stops showing their adjustments, the opposing QB has no way of knowing what the defense has up in its sleeves. (Bart specifically indicated this after the Pats game - nobody moved even when Brady sent a receiver - or TE or RB - in motion, and this resulted in massive confusion.) Maybe this transformation came out of necessity, or because Jets current DB roster had four DBs that can't cover for shit. No matter what the reason is, now there is a system in place that will utilize those DBs. Top-tier pass rushing OLB would be a fantastic luxury that will make the defense that much more fearsome, but again, it's a luxury - an option you can live without. And as we are picking very late in 1st round (possibly 32nd? hahaha) It is not really likely that you will find that top-tier pass rushing prospect with that pick. Realistically, I would go with 3-4 DE here. (Considering from last draft, the likes of Jared Odrick was available till 29th pick, I'd say 3-4 DE is much more realistic choice here)
Ryan's had to adjust because this team lacks a true, consistent pass-rusher. Bryan Thomas sort of resurrected his career in the 34, but he could to be replaced. Calvin Pace is overpaid. He's a pretty good player, but he's incredibly inconsistent. I agree with you that we have to start getting younger and better on the defensive line, but if a potentially dominant pass rusher like Oklahoma's Jeremy Beal or Pittsburgh's Jabaal Sheard is available, we need to pull the trigger. I just don't think a 34 end worth a first round contract will be available when our pick comes around. The elite guys like Alabama's Marcel Dareus and Auburn's Nick Fairley will be long gone. This team already has enough role players, man. It needs a Terrell Suggs, a Clay Matthews, a LaMarr Woodley or a DeMarcus Ware - guys that can be on the field ALL THE TIME and get pressure on the quarterback on a consistent basis. Before someone comes in here and tries to say that Ware and Suggs were relatively high picks and that we have no shot at getting anyone of their potential caliber - let me just say that's some bullshit. They'll be pass rushing talent available at the back end of the first round. Most know that Ryan likes to disguise his formations and fuck with quarterbacks. I really appreciate that you understand all of the different schemes, but think about what these schemes would look like with a pass-rushing threat lining up all over the place. Most quarterbacks are going to identify that in-the-box safety as a threat to blitz. What if we brought in a consistent pass-rushing threat and let him rush the passer with a few defensive backs? Who's the quarterback going to worry about? ...the pass rushing linebacker, because he's more likely to fuck up his life. I guess you could call it necessity. We don't lack the ability to get pressure, we lack the ability to get a consistent amount of sacks. Bryan Thomas and Calvin Pace weren't cutting it, so Rex started bringing some noise from the dime, nickel, and safety positions. Great coaches makes great adjustments. This is a great team. We have the ability to go after "luxuries", especially at the end of the first round when the "best" players will be long gone. Like I said earlier, we're not going to find a top-tier defensive end either. Jared Odrick went 28th to Miami. We had no shot at him. Who do you want to pay more? A player that takes up space or a player that takes out quarterbacks?
Great post ^^ Cameron Heyward had elblow surgery recently and supposedly could be out for up to 3 months. Not sure how much this will hurt his draft stock in the end, but if he can't work out for teams he might end up lasting until our late 1st round pick or maybe even somewhere in the early 2nd round. Sucks for the kid because I think the combination of his beast mode bowl game, Senior Bowl and individual workouts would have increased his draft stock. But as a jet fan, i'll selfishly not feel as upset if he's sitting there for us at 32!
According to ESPN scouts, Moch is showing some potential with his coverage skills, even though he's still extremely raw. Can he transition well to 3-4 linebacker? Some people are testing him out as 4-3 LB. (ESPN insider article report on Moch): He played defensive end in college, but came here and proved that he could play standing up. He's raw, but he's shown he can make the adjustment. We knew he was a good athlete and he showed it this week. He showed excellent ability to change of direction and has good, quick-twitch athleticism for his size. He's a bit raw in his understanding of passing lanes, routes and angles, and had a lack of anticipation in the passing game. But he took coaching well, worked hard and got a little bit better every day. He looks like he'll be able to play WILL linebacker in a 4-3 scheme, in which he can run around and make plays. He'll also bring value as a situational pass rusher off the edge with his quickness and speed.
Moch supposedly weighed in under 230 pounds, so that's pretty light to play OLB in the 34. I can stress this enough: Ryan likes heavier, stronger outside backers. If you look at his personnel over time, he's always had guys weighing over 255 playing the position. Jeremy Beal, Jabaal Sheard, Brooks Reed, Ryan Kerrigan, Justin Houston, and Steven Friday fit the mold.
I think Moch could put on 20-30 Lbs and still have speed to burn. Massive project though, little to no moves and a non factor in the run game. And this might just be me, but if he can run sub 4.2 at 229 consistently, why the hell did he pick football? Drop 40 Lbs and run track...
He was a track star in high school. I remember Chris Ault almost used him at running back, but Vai Taua stepped up. I agree that he could definitely put on weight and still fly around the field, but he has no idea how to play the game. He'll be a huge project wherever he ends up.
He's a project I would love to see Rex and Pettine get their hands on. Using him as a situational/spell rusher on passing downs during his rookie season while he learns the other aspects of the game would be great way to get him involved early. Pittsburgh delenda est.
I wouldn't want to draft him before the 4th round. He's the ultimate boom-or-bust prospect. He's a pretty versatile player, but it looks like he has close to no instincts...and like Magilla said, he has zero pass rushing moves. I disagree that he's bad against the run though. He makes plays in the backfield. However, if he doesn't add weight/bulk, he'll get owned by NFL linemen. We need a guy that can have an instant impact. Moch would be an intriguing mid-to-late round selection tough.
I wonder why he didn't stick with it, that would be an easier payday for him with that speed. I think he'd have the same problems at RB like he does at DE/LB, can make a big play with his speed, then do nothing for the next couple games. Huge gamble, even as a 4th rounder IMO, but could be a huge reward if he learned the position/sport. It would take multiple years to bring him along, and him being apart of the coverage teams would be the best case scenario during those years...
I'm excited to see 2010 WAC DPOY Chris Carter play in the Shrine Game. Carter's a relentless pass rusher with a ton of moves. He's not the fastest guy in the world, but he out hustles almost everyone on the field. The kid registered 16.5 TFLs and a 11.5 sacks playing every game but two with a club on his hand.
He certainly could, a 230 pound player outrunning everyone to the returner, laying a massive hit on him. He could even be the personal protector who take the occasional fake...
