OverTheCap shows a $60M cap space projection for 2023, but that's only because there are currently only 23 players who are under contract for 2023. SF is not going to play football with a 23-man roster, and that cap projection does not take into account the cap hit for the other 30 athletes they'll have to sign. If they extend Deebo and Bosa, that could easily cost them another $30M in cap space next year, which leaves them only $30M to pay 28 players. So is SF really going to find 28 players who aren't on rookie contracts to play for $30M? If you have to sign 30 veterans, you can find depth players for $1M/year, but $1M doesn't get you much in a veteran. Filling more than half your roster with that kind of player is a recipe for a pretty bad season. As for trading Garoppolo, the market for him is almost dead given his shoulder surgery. He's not expected to throw again until mid-summer. I don't see anyone eager to put up $25M in cap space for an oft-injured QB who can't put in a full offseason getting ready for 2022. My guess is that, if someone trades him, SF won't get out from under the full $25M hit associated with his salary. Maybe they have to convert some to a roster bonus and eat it before he moves to another team, or maybe they have to acquire some other player from the trade partner that will result in SF absorbing a cap hit associated with that player, but either way, I think SF probably isn't walking away from the $25M this year.
Yea I kinda don't get it. It kinda seems against the way we are paying players on this current team. Hell bent on overpaying a wr and giving up what to get him? Draft Burks, theres your deebo..
Lol @ Burks being Deebo, even if I liked Burks it would be a dumb comment. I like London and I’d rather have Deebo or Brown or Metcalf everytime. Draft is a crapshoot and now is the time to spend w Wilson on a rookie contract. Sick of this waiting to contend bullshit
We aren't a WR away ...Just not a fan of giving up too much at this point. Yea Burks is wishful thinking in comparison, but the money difference is a lot. We still need Ol and another rb which we will get , that OL still scary. Im just saying all we STILL need, mostly defensive wise, we need bodies .
Well, they won’t have to sign 30 vets, they have 9 picks this year and I assume at least 7-8 next year, so at least half of those players will be cheap draft picks, plus 1-2 UDFA’s and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Jimmy G does get moved eventually. QB is just too important… Carolina or Seattle could be on the outside looking in after the draft, someone’s starter could get injured during camp… The other thing to keep in mind is the 49ers can release Garoppolo and still save the better part of $20 million. It’s a worst case scenario but only $7.5 million is guaranteed for injury, meaning if no trade is out there and he’s not healthy, they can still save $18.1 million just by cutting him.
Another guy that seems more concerned with money than winning. It raises some red flags for me. I can only imagine what kind of contract he is looking for.
You're absolutely correct that we aren't a WR away from being SB contenders but that's not a reason we shouldn't give Zach another talented piece on offense. If Zach can't cut it next year with Deebo, Elijah, CD, Braxton, Uzomah, Conklin, MC, & any other rookie skill player we may draft then at least we know what he is. What we don't want to do is get into another Darnold situation, where we get to Year 3/4 and it's time to make a large financial decision with Zach but because we never really gave him a chance we still have no idea what he is or what he could become. Worst case, we've got a good group of skill players ready for whomever comes after Zach.
Sorry you are right. My post was lazy. It was reported that JD would not do the deal unless they could negotiate with Cooper and work out a deal before the trade. Dallas refused to allow them to negotiate pre-trade.But, the point was they wanted an acceptable contract before doing the deal.
I would be thrilled with, Deebo. Those that are concerned with money, who cares? I'd rather pay a proven, young commodity than draft an unproven player that may or may not work out. We need results, we need sure fire weapons, and this would give us that result. We need A+ talent on both sides of the ball. This would be a hell of a start. I'm still okay with drafting a WR instead but they absolutely need to nail It. JD has already missed at the position with, Mims. Not sure he wants to swing and miss again at such an impactful spot.
I heard Becton is lobbying for Deebo. Here’s an idea-since so many want to draft Ekwonu let’s trade Becton for Deebo. Win win.
win win for us anyway. The niners already have arguably the best left tackle in the game in Trent Williams. they got him for like nothing too, damn that shoulda been the move here
No, we are aren't a WR away, but with Deebo in fold, it helps us get a lot closer. Deebo's contract will probably be around 3 years guaranteed, so he will be around for some time. What it also helps us do also is develop Zach next year, help him take a leap forward. Also, the argument that we have too many needs and therefore can't give up picks for Deebo is not really valid. Let's say even if we trade #10 pick for Deebo, then effectively we used that #10 to address WR, which we would have likely used for WR anyway. #4 and other picks can still be used for other positions. Whoever we draft at #10 is likely going to be worse than Deebo, who produced 1400 yards in the air last year in 16 games. And what's more it will take some time for him to develop. Even Moore, who showed great potential, wasn't really all that helpful in his rookie year, taking some time to develop and being injured some. With a star veteran WR, Moore in a second year, and two TEs, Zach has a real chance to blossom. Yes, of course it is best to score a great WR in the draft like Chase or Justin Jefferson, but it's not exactly a guarantee, you can get a Mims too. Or someone who is just OK, not great. Deebo is a guarantee and makes for a nice blend of experience and youth for a receiving core. No brainer to me even if we have to give up #10. Or if we have to give up both second rounders, trading back from 10 to recoup some capital is a possibility too.
Listen, if JD saw this WR market coming, we would already have had Amari Cooper for next to nothing and be set as some of us were suggesting at the time. AND he would have been able to redo AMari's deal later to count 5 mil for CAP this year. But in absence of that, it should be obvious now how valuable a good WR is at this point. We saw it last year with Burrow->Chase. We saw it before with Allen and Murray skyrocketing when they added good WR vets. Deebo is that guy. 1400 receiving yards he got last year would be I think 3d in Jets history, and 1800 total may be a record Jets team history by a WR. We also don't know exactly why he wants to be traded. It's not like Hill was an angel either, and JD went all out to get him. The reality is precisely because of what I said above I don't think SF will trade him. They can franchise him twice, and he is still under contract. They are not cash strapped like KC or GB were paying their QBs 50+ mil. Very few times players do what Deshaun did and sit out a whole year, and even DeShaun did this after securing second contract worth 100 mil. We will in all likelihood have to draft a WR and experience growing pains, which is not ideal, given Zach may be ready to break out. But at this point, we need to get a good one in the draft and hope he develops sooner than later, plus Moore stays healthy. Unless of course miracle happens and we can get Deebo, which would be a great thing, but very unlikely.
Now that Deebo is basically a done deal, has your draft strategy changed? I imagine we’re giving up 10 and a 4th and getting back a 3rd. Are you trading out of 4 or are you taking your edge and calling it a day?
It's not a done deal of course, but I understand you are joking. Seriously though, with Deebo in fold for 10th as you suggest, I don't think much changes at all, except instead of spending #10 on WR during the draft, we gave #10 for a WR before the draft. #4 to me is still KT if he is there. We still need at Edge and still have #4 pick to address that need.
I understand his weight. My concern is with Moore, Berrios and Deebo at WR you are asking even more from Wilson. Wilson is not that tall himself, and getting the ball over the linebacker and in front of the safety throwing to three smurfs is a tall order (get it) . I would be more for a Deebo trade if Moore is part of the package. Deebo is a great talent but the jets should be as QB friendly as possible with Zach.
