I'm trying to figure out what we do with Dee now. A couple weeks ago Bowles said Dee would have to fight for his spot on this team and show that he can stay healthy and all that. Do we release him now? Trade him maybe? I don't see us carrying him around this year if he's gonna miss a couple months.
What is to be gained by cutting him now? Nothing. He is too talented, has a cheap contract, and they've already lost Allen for the year. He'll be back by game 2 for crying out loud. He has zero trade value, so we'd get nothing for him except maybe a bag of deflated footballs. The only rational thing to do is to keep him, hope he gets healthy, stays health and contributes during the rest of the season. If he comes back and immediately gets injured again or can't win playing time, then they can make a decision at that point in time, but it's too early now to cut bait with him.
Thankfully Mac & TB proceeded forward this year without counting on Milliner in a key role, unlike the previous GM and his fiasco of a Secondary. What Mac & TB do now will tell us how they have evaluated him thus far. There was no guarantees going into camp that he would even be a Dime Back. Milliner even if healthy in 8 weeks has had a minimal amount of time on the field, game and practice time, since he's been here. Imo I think they got this covered already on the roster. I'm expecting nothing out of Milliner
NC, if this was his first injury, I would be on board wholeheartedly with your perspective. Even with his history in Alabama I was happy the Jets drafted him and gave him a chance, but it just has not worked out. I understand the NFL teams don't like to just cut bait, it's a business move. It's like Kyle Wilson, even though he was bad, and all the fans saw how bad he was, the jets made an effort to coach him up and allow him to flourish because of his potential. I'm in agreement that you don't trade with teams of your division, but your initial post spoke of waving him, it's those moves that I believe cannot be made because your worried about where he might or might not go.
We're going by Bowles' comments. And the AA situation doesn't really affect our cornerbacks. Nobody knows when Dee will be back, it could be 2 months, it could be longer. He's getting surgery on his hand, that's not exactly nothing for a cornerback who has to rely on his hands. At best he was our #4 or even #5 corner, healthy. He's going to miss camp now, preseason and at least a couple regular season games. He's not just gonna come in during the middle of the year and suddenly outplay guys like Marcus Williams and Dexter who will be WAY ahead of him. So do you carry that guy who was already put on notice by Bowles around for a couple months? Your potential #4, #5 or #6 cornerback once he returns? Do you shut him down completely? Like I said earlier, talent doesn't mean anything if you can't get or stay on the field. At some point every team will give up on a player no matter how talented he is, if he keeps getting in trouble, if he keeps getting injured. If we didn't have so many decent corners I would definitely keep him around so we can get him back, but we are stacked at cornerback and when Bowles says you have to prove that you deserve a roster spot and you miss camp, the entire preseason and a couple regular season games, then it'd be pretty naive to just assume he's gonna make the team no matter what. Plus we're not talking about somebody who will be back and stay healthy. Dee is injury prone. How long is he going to last? A couple of games? Half a season? You can't possibly expect me to believe that you think Dee will be back by whatever, week 2, and then suddenly stay healthy and have a big impact. I don't see it.
Ironically, you know who is looking much improved right now? Woody Johnson. Had he kept this shit show going... well, things would not be quite bleak right now. Getting rid of Idzik = WIN. Replacing him with a FO that understands you need depth at positions = WIN. Also, Darrin Walls is feeling very relieved right now.
Here's Darryl Slater's article on Milliner's injury, with quotes from Bowles that dispute your assertions. http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/08/jets_dee_milliner_out_6_to_8_weeks_with_wrist_inju.html
I agree.....even though we lose his roster spot throughout training camp he's still too valuable to play games with. Plus with him coming off Achilles no one thought he'd be out there this soon anyway. Plus he can probably start practicing in team drills with a soft cast in a cpl weeks I'd imagine. Heck, he finished out the day he got hurt, so it can't be that bad. Dee, McDougle, and Williams may be our starting 3 in a few years.
Exactly. Even though he's had a ton of bad luck. He's pretty tough. Think about all those injuries and surgeries in college and he only missed one game. How many players could say that? I understand the frustration that some are feeling and the desire to just move on, but in all likelihood at this point in preseason, they're not going to be able to pick up anyone with any real potential that's going to be able to help them now or down the road. It might be a little different around the time the last camp cuts happen, but by that point, Milliner will only be 2-3 weeks away from returning, and barring any major surprise cuts, I doubt there'd be anyone cut who has any more value or potential than Milliner.
Jets don't stand to gain anything by cutting or trading Milliner, other than some minimal cap savings. Considering the cost to obtain him is already sunk, you may as well keep him around to finish out his rookie contract. He's talented, and injuries happen to everyone. He's basically a lotto ticket at this point.
It doesn't dispute anything. Those are the things Bowles said, you keep acting like I made those comments up. Of course he's not gonna come out saying "we'll try to get rid of him" now.
Seems so many guys get tendon injuries....bicep, Achilles. Guess they build up their muscles to the point they just rip the tendons in half or off the bone. Kind of a weird concept but I wonder how long before players start getting preventive surgeries....like stainless steel wires added to certain tendons to prevent them from stretching past the breaking point or a little reinforcement at the point of attachment. I've heard surgeons say such and such a player is better than before due to extra ligament screws etc added during surgery. Why wait? If I were a pro athlete and an MRI showed undersized tendons and a high likelihood of a critical tendon tear I'd do it in a hear beat.
Doctors don't do preventative surgeries because there is always an inherent risk to surgery, of any kind. The risk to the patient would out-weigh the benefit. They'd literally be fixing something that ain't broke.
They do preventive surgeries all the time for other reasons. Look up cancer. It's just a matter of how important one thing is versus another. But I agree, 'fixing' something that ain't necessarily broken would be a tough sell. If they allowed steroid use then preventive surgeries would probably become the norm. But again, if an MRE showed my Achilles only 50% of the norm and there was a simple out patient procedure to strengthen it, I'd do it.
I disagree. I'm not acting like you made those comments up. I know they are accurate. Even if I didn't, I trust that you wouldn't do that. My point is that these later comments do show at least a change of thinking on his part. Perhaps my wording was bad in my previous post, but I wasn't trying to point you out as being "wrong," just that Bowles seems to have changed his mind regarding Milliner.
Yeah, it just sounded that way the way you put it by saying those were my assertions when all I did was wonder what the situation would be like with Dee after Bowles said he would have to earn his roster spot which he can't do now. Maybe it was just the typical lighting a fire under his butt talk and he was safe all along. From the comments he made now it does seem like he plans to keep Dee around. I see his value not so much in helping us with depth this year, I see his value in the future if he can somehow get over that injury bug. He can be out future #1 corner but he has to stay healthy. #2 corner for sure next year if/when we release Cro. But to hold on to him this year and carry him around and waste a roster spot on him if he can't even practice or play just to be our #6 corner I think is a waste unless of course Revis and Marcus Williams or Dex get injured, you never know.
He isn't a regular bust ,but not being able to stay healthy like this has made him one.Thanks Idzik great pick ...hope you get a bunch of paper cuts at your desk job in Jax
