Actually my idol is Namath. I have an autographed picture hanging in my office right above my computer. But at least I am smart enough to know that there are many different styles of QBs. Just as those who say Namath was overrated when they look at his numbers and don't put them in context are wrong, so are those like you who look only at Pennington's (perceived) lack of arm strength and ignore the results. To say that a QB who has thrown for 600 yards and 4 TDs in two weeks has not played well is just absurd.
This post wins the prize as the worst informed post of the year. First, since when is is the score at the end of the 3rd quarter the "only stat that counts?" I guess NFL teams should just skip the 4th quarter. Second, at least get the score right. It was 24-14 after 3. Third, you are saying that preseason games are more important than regular season games. Unbelievable!!!
If you deduct those 2 miracles plays by our WRs CP average is about 200 yards a game. That is NOT the point however the key point is the others side is stacking the deck against us which inhibits both the run & pass cause they know CP WILL NOT beat them with his arm. Not only is his arm weak but his delivery is like in slow motion. If you really are a JWN adoocate as you say then you should completely understand if you flash back to the 68 NYJs & say the words Snell/Boozer to run it & JWN whipping it to Sauer/Lammons & Maynard
I find it unbelivable that Namath is your Idol and you come on and talk about Penningtons QB rating as if it meant something. Pennington played great against the Titans. He was awful in the first half of the Pats game and good in the second half. We are going to play a mediocre but improving Buffalo team on the road. Pennington getting the team moving early, scoring early and sustaining drives is the key to our winning this game. Not only that but this game is a huge game for this team. The next two games are going to be very difficult to win. The difference between 2 & 3 facing Miami and 1 & 4 is a make or break for not only Pennington and the team but it will have a bearing on the program long term and whether or not Pennington is actually on the team next year. You have said over and over that Pennington has been great this year. He's been solid and good not great. This weeks game may secure Pennington's future long term on this team. If your a fan of the Jets and want them to do well this year this game and season is on Penningtons arm. If you are a fan of Pennington and believe he is the future of a rebuilt and contending Jet team, he better be great this week.
Wow really tought stuff there but sooner or later NYJ fans have to face up to the reality of what CP brings & does not bring to the NYJs.
Winston, I expect the other guy in this thread not see the whole picture. You have to give him even more credit that hes doing all of this without a running game...no? I mean...I was pretty anti chad the last couple years...but you have to call them like you see them..and for Chad to be putting up these numbers..regardless if the catches or runs after the catch were luck...with no running game what-so-ever...Im pretty amazed at his production. Now its only 2 games...so no cartwheels here...lets see where he is after week 8.
For all of my critisism of Chad, I believe when healthy he was good enough to take this team to a respectable 9 & 7, 10 & 6 record this year. I started a thread on it and defended that position, in fact the premise of my argument is if we weren't in full rebuild Clemens should be getting playing time much the same way TN is bringing Young along. Chad is not only doing what I thought he could do, he is exceeding my expectations in terms of his arm and ability to move in the pocket. Chad is making the calls at the line he is free to change plays, call audibles, etc. He played great against TN. He stunk for half of the NE game and was solid in the second half. This Buffalo team is a mediocre team, they aren't the Pats, IND or Jax. Like us they are a mediocre team rebuilding, unlike us they are starting their QB of the future. We are starting our QB of the present. This is a road game against a very beatable team that is no better than us except at RB. This is the type of game that Pennington has to step up and win for us. No slow starts, no running out of bounds and giving the other team the ball with time when the half is coming up, no excusses. He knows the O, he has chemistry with the recievers and he's a smart veteran QB going against a talented but inexperienced secondary. This game should be tailor made for him.
Winny from what you posted I think you have not seen the Bflo D play. I saw bits & pieces of there NE game & the entire Mia game & there front 4 is going to wreck havoc on our OLine if it played the way it played vs NE. I'm suprised to see you under estimating Bflo but from what I have seen this game is going to be some respects harder to win then the NE game was. At this moment to say we did OK in TN is like saying we beat one of the worse of the worse in the league maybe after Oak & Cleve so that is not a acheivement. A much truer test was the NE game & again without those 2 most unbelieveable plays by the WRs we really would have lost 24-3 so I would not be pounding my chest over the "supposed" comeback. Remember alll Penny did is throw the ball 15/20 yds & the WRs did the rest
Dont mean to underestimate the bills offense...but this actually is as good as it gets matchup wise for the Jets..totally agree. Hey...1-1...and this is a game that the Jets should be in it the whole way. I even believe that after the initial home opener buzz the bills defense will have..that the Jets might even be able to run the ball a bit on Sunday..and if that happens...have to love our chances. Yes, this is a game that Chad needs to dominate...he does have the weapons at receiver now...and if the Jets as a team can rush for over a 100 yards...just as a team..not a single player...should be interesting to see if that opens things up even more for the passing game.
I'm a bit worried about McGahee. Don't have any stats off the top of my head but I remember him running over the Jets defense and basically controlling the game in the past. Hopefully our new CS will be able to adjust and make Losman make some plays though. Like in the first two games the burden on offense is going to fall squarely on Chad and the passing game.
Yeah, he's gone over 100 3 out of 4 games in his career against the Jets. The only game he didn't he wasn't the full time starter yet but still had 42 yards on 8 carries. The 2nd game in 04 they held him to a relatively low YPC on 37 carries but he was still grinding out yardage and the Jets lost that game.
I hate to tell you but as long as he is healthy, he IS the quarterback of the future. He will be behind center until either injury or retirement. He has shown he's still a top 10 QB in this league...why would they show him the door?
Money and if they believe they can win a SB with him? If an evenly matched team with a veteran SB QB can't beat this Bills team, how are we every going to win a SB with him?
Stop obsessing over a "quarterback of the future" and build a team that can get to the playoffs. Penney's got you there already, so he can get you there again. You've got a good start on the OL, but you need a first rate RB. Without a decent running game, the Jets aren't going to win much beyond 8 games a year. How many SBs has Peyton Manning played in?
You need both to get to a SB. Payton hasn't gotten to one because the team over paid him and a handful of other players and than failed to put an adequate coaching staff around them. They had to unload James in the offseason. In order to get a great team around that QB we probably can't over pay for Pennington again. He has to prove that he can do it for a full season against quality teams.
You know what's really funny? When we had a running game, it was "Chad needs a running game to be successful. He'll suck without one." Then we don't have a running game, and it turned to "Chad can't throw it deep so he won't be successful". After throwing for 300 yards two weeks in a row with no running game and with multiple deep throws mixed in, now it's "Chad can't throw a Hail Mary, so he won't be successful" or "the receivers got lucky and did all of the work". Every time he does something well, some people around here bitch and find something to complain about. So now the bar is set at heaving the ball 70 yards. I get it. There's no pleasing some people. If they want to hate a player, they'll hate him...no matter what he does. So why even try anymore?
hitting the nail on the head..... this probably has more to do with the underlying negativity of some of the posters here......who spend most of their time harping on what is wrong with Chad or the team rather than what is right..... I love the argument that "take those 2 YAC's away and Chad's numbers were not good' argument......both of those throws yielded first downs before the ensuing runs....who's to say Chad wouldn't have continued to drive them down the field.... Besides, last time I checked, YAC are part of every QB's stats.....so if we're going to takes Chad's awway, why not everyone else's also? I'll admit, I had some doubts about his ability to comeback..and 2 games does not a season make....but all signs are promising. I'm still concerned about his durability, but he has proven to me thus far, he can make the throws he needs to make.....a hail mary is not one of those throws he should need to make
The last 2 posts are good examples of how to end a discussion. If you don't agree with something that someone posted, fine, but at least quote their post or call them out by name rather then this "some people" strawman nonsense. It's really a disservice to posters like winston when you dismiss what he's saying out of hand because "some people"(hint: mr nyjet) like to troll the site with negative opinions.
Excellent point. And if they would bother to read between the lines...and check pass posts that Winston has made...he is not stating that the Jets cant win with Chad as qb. That wasnt his point. He never mentioned his displeasure with that fact that chad cant throw a hail mary...who cares if he can or can not. Its about his ability to lead the team to the playoffs and beyond. Yes he has in the past..and yes he has no running game to back him up right now. There are plenty of facts one could use to disagree with what he said....just call out people directly and read entire posts before you shoot blanks. His point is pretty simple. Chad Pennington should be able to lead the Jets over the Bills...end of story. There are two ways to disagree. One, the lack of a running game catches up to the team. Two, the Jets get involved in a shootout with the Bills. Two aint happening.
