typical fan nature to look at 1 stat and think it means a player isn't declining. why would a 13 win team want to dump a 27 year old player if they are a really good player? the reality is they wouldn't. Why did no team want to trade for him? I never said he sucks, i said he's declined last season and could decline more. he had his lowest YPC in his career at 4.4. he was also not good on a consistent basis. he had the 3rd most plays in the NFL for 0 yard or less gains for RBs (40th out of 42 players). He also led the NFL in stuffed percentage (23.1%). and it wasn't the o-line's fault. he got his average up with breakaway runs opened by the o-line through big holes. Minn has a great o-line and a great passing game so teams couldn't stack the box. Jefferson was the biggest threat on their offense, not cook. The offense lost nothing when mattison was in really. part of the reason they were in shootouts was because the lack of cook being able to control the clock. too many stuffs and negative plays. they'd have to rely on jefferson to convert 3rd downs and get big plays out of them. when cook was effective, it was a big play. so they couldn't eat clock. They were 3rd in passing attempts because of cook. If you watched him, he didn't look like his normal self. He still has breakaway speed but doesn't create for himself and his vision isn't great. The 1 area where cook would help us is his blitz pickup and blocking. we are weak there and cook is good at it. and he has good hands. I just don't think at this point in his career it's worth bumping MC out of the game for or not giving the rookie a chance.
there’s a lot there man. Minnesota cut Cook for salary reasons. And I don’t think it was a smart decision
I’m not even going to read all of this and give it any thought after reading the bold. What utter nonsense lol. You realllllllly think the Jets should keep Michael Carter who looked like he had cinderblocks on his feet all year over a perennial top ten-ish runningback? I remember those pesky advanced stats also told us Zach Wilson was a future All-Pro and Carl Lawson was an elite pass rusher. I thought the board was going to move away from them a bit after all that and maybe use the eye test more.
Naw bro. You didn't use the word "declining" once in your reasonings against Cook. The term you used: " washed."
Bell was a "top 10" RB when we signed him and he didn't do anything. I understand certain advanced stats can be hard to judge but when a RB runs into his lineman and misses holes 10 out of 15 carries and busts 1 big run out of every 20 touches that "fixes" his poor stats people don't see it. that's what cook has been last season. he wasn't good. he was a JAG at best. any RB can cross 1k yards with enough touches and a good o-line. if it wasn't for j-jeff and cousins the vikes offense would have been awful. If cook is the bell cow thats what happens. if he gets only 10 touches chances are he's gonna average under 3YPC. he needs 20+ touches to break 1 big run and look good on the stat board and a good o-line. with hall here, he isn't going to get that many touches. I can tell you didn't watch much of the vikes. it was basically 7-8 yards on 1st down passing. cook stuffed on 2nd after missing a big hole. j-jeff bailing them out on 3rd down. rinse and repeat. they let cook go because he wasn't getting the job done. thats why there was no trade market. meanwhile c-mac had a big trade market and got the panthers some good picks back because he's still got it. cook has regressed hard. IDK if it's injuries or just wear and tear from 6 years of being a bell cow but last year he did not look that part regardless of what stats say. if this was a year ago and we were juding him based on 2021, i'd be all on board from him. But it's not and I seen how he was in 2022 and he regressed large last year. You guys have no idea about that so are ignoring anything that doesn't fit your narrative. you know the name, he's been really good, you looked at the stats from last year and decided that yeah we should. you have no clue how he looked last year on film. even vikes fans were pissed at him all year last year for being ass.
I know. We need Hopkins to sign elsewhere so the Jets can properly humiliate the Patsies next season.
YoU gUyS hAvE nO iDeA aBoUt ThAt. His long rush was under 25 yards in 13/17 games but he definitely relied on long rushes to build stats.
ha Cook did have a fair share of negative yardage plays so his point isn’t entirely wacky. but at the end of the day it is hard to narrow down if Cook is the problem with those for one, and two, with all the big plays he brings you take it and ride the thunder baby. will take that any day then 2.5 yards into the ass of the lineman and fall down like Carter and Knight bring
his long was 81 for the season. he had 14 more rushing yards in 2022 then 2021 despite playing 4 more games. (remember they added a game so everyones stats went up) 2020 5YPC 111.2 YPG 2021 4.7YPC 89.2 YPG 2022 4.4YPC 69 YPG yeah thats totally not a declining RB who just got cut not to mention some truly awesome games he had where he didn't get a big run like 6 for 17 17 for 47 15 for 23 9 for 27 11 for 37 22 for 42 thats 6 games without a big run out of 13 (FYI NFL officially considers 20 the threshold for a big run not 25. thats why they track 20+ and 40+) 80 carries for 193 yards 2.41YPC Bam can do that for us lol you also picked 25 (why? to skew the data) for instance against us he had a long of 21. he had 20 for 86 total. that means 65 yards on his other 19 carries (3.42 per carry) he was not good against us but if you just look at the stats looks like he did ok. I know you watched that game. no way did you think man cook was killing us. even look at miami. he was 13 for 77. sounds great. but a long of 53 so he had 12 carries for 24 yards besides that run. but please continue to be an ass who can't make a point so you try and makes jokes (bad not funny ones. at least be creative so you are entertaining if you want to give me shit) because you don't have one. have your opinion. I have mine. facts show he's declining. it's that simple. no BS cherry picking you o can change that. wasting 10 mil on a player like that is dumb. If he takes 5 mil i'd take him for his experience and as a 3rd down back. but at this point he isn't a bell cow and his bets use is a 3rd down back to extend his career where he can pass block and catch out of the backfield and get the ball in space to use his speed.
carter was ass last year and IDK why. hopefully just a sophmore slump. carter was awesome as a rookie though. I'd be willing to be a 2nd year player slumping has a better chance to have a good 3rd year then a declining start who's gone downhill consistently the last 2 years and just got released . if you look at the post above this one I go more into detail on cooks performance. the think with cook is he runs into his linemans ass way more then bam and carter did last year but he's still a homerun threat. abikanda could be that for us as a rookie. and MC could bounce back. cook isn't going to suddenly stop slumping though. we all know how bell cow RBs wear down fast and hard. usually 5-6 seasons. cook is heading into season 7. he needs to be a spell back to extend his career at this point
You just said we should choose Michael Carter over Dalvin Cook bro. You also tried to blame the Vikings shootouts on Dalvin Cook’s rushing abilities proving you literally didn’t watch a single Vikings game. If we had the Texans roster I’d say yeah let’s pass on Dalvin Cook rather than let him cut into our young guns rushes. Or if we were the Chiefs where it’d probably be an Adrian Peterson to the Saints fit, I’d again agree it probably makes no sense. We have a two year run before we have to rebuild post-Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers who is very heady at the LOS and has no problem handing it off in a stretch zone if the box is right. Nathaniel Hackett - a coordinator who proved he knows how to balance pass/run in each of his past two non-Broncos stops. Just stop. You die on hills to prove you’re right because you make asinine points rather than just saying fuck. Yeah I see the other side might be the right on. And then fall on these nonsensical Michael Nania style points. I have so much more respect for someone who falls on their own grenade of realizing they’re being silly. Michael Carter or Dalvin Cook for 175 touches with a 75% Breece Hall? Your choice. Mine is an easy one. No one needs him to be a bell cow. We need him to get us to week 8 and then we can balance our check book of carries.
Your the one who dies on hills. Originally I wanted cook, but the more I thought about it, the less I want him. Of course the money is a part. If he comes cheap then not much harm but paying big money to a declining RB isn't a great idea. we don't have a ton of cap space and have to pay out Q still. I literally broke down all his stats which further proved my point but you are so stuck on the name you don't see it. cook is more likely to be the next bell, LT, CJ2K, forte, etc of jets signing a declining RB and it not working out for us not to mention you don't even know how to use the quote button correctly
nah, besides bell those guys were all 30+ when they signed here. And Bell is unique because he sat out a year, which definitely had a negative impact on his career. Why didn't you compare him to Jets veteran signing Thomas Jones, oh that's right, hurts your argument lol Cook is 28 and coming off a 1,400 all purpose yards and 10 touchdown season. He is going to do well wherever he goes. Unfortunately its looking like Miami which is just awesome we have to play against him twice a year
you must not remember well but jones was awful. just ran behind a great o-line. dude went down if a breeze blew over. It was brutal to watch him never break a tackle lol. cooks last 3 years 2020 5YPC 111.2 YPG 2021 4.7YPC 89.2 YPG 2022 4.4YPC 69 YPG thats a very consistent decline 6 games without popping a big run 6 for 17 17 for 47 15 for 23 9 for 27 11 for 37 22 for 42 ranked 40th our of 42 RBs for times stuffed for 0 or less yards none of those numbers look good
oh, okay yeah, you are right. Thomas Jones totally sucked. It was a miracle he has 31 touchdowns here, he must've fell into the endzone with the ball or something
