D'Brickashaw Ferguson gave up more sacks than Hunter

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  1. azhar80

    azhar80 Well-Known Member

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    Sanchez held on the ball too long and cause sacks but he also avoided just as many sacks with his legs. So lets keep things fair. Sanchez has shown good ability to extend plays, its his bone head decisions that makes us all scream.
     
  2. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    Lol, this is only part true.
     
  3. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Brick got owned by Ware in week 1. Didn't he allow like 3-4 sacks in that game alone?
     
  4. Zach

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    You got it all wrong. It is 20th LEAST. Jets gave up 13th most sacks this season. Which makes sense.
     
  5. Brunell's Debt

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    This is true, and hints to a reason that Brick gave up more sacks than Hunter--most teams primarily use their top pass rusher on the QBs blind side, so Ferguson was stuck dealing with the best in the business.

    Also, I'd be interested to see how many of those sacks were "coverage sacks" where Sanchez couldn't find anyone, ran up the pocket, and turtled (which happened fairly frequently this year.)

    All that said, Ferguson did have a shitty season though.
     
  6. Brunell's Debt

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    Doesn't the fact that Sanchez was getting killed every time he dropped back for most of the season justify all of the short play calls?
     
  7. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    Att Sck Sack %
    Buf 578 23 3.98%
    NO 662 24 3.63%
    Ten 584 24 4.11%
    Cin 535 25 4.67%
    Oak 524 25 4.77%
    Atl 594 26 4.38%
    NYG 589 28 4.75%
    SD 582 30 5.15%
    NE 612 32 5.23%
    Phi 554 32 5.78%
    TB 588 32 5.44%
    Bal 544 33 6.07%
    Hou 467 33 7.07%
    KC 500 34 6.80%
    Car 519 35 6.74%
    Ind 534 35 6.55%
    Det 666 36 5.41%
    Cle 570 39 6.84%
    Dal 570 39 6.84%
    NYJ 547 40 7.31%
    GB 552 41 7.43%
    Was 591 41 6.94%
    Den 429 42 9.79%
    Pit 539 42 7.79%
    Jac 469 44 9.38%
    SF 451 44 9.76%
    Chi 473 49 10.36%
    Min 510 49 9.61%
    Sea 509 50 9.82%
    Mia 469 52 11.09%
    Ari 550 54 9.82%
    StL 549 55 10.02%

    Enjoy. Jets are pretty horrible in pass protection. (By sack ratio, they are 21th in the league.) Just what happened to the OL this year?

    On a sidenote, Mike Martz is living up to his billing as a QB killer, logging at 10.36% sack ratio. Who wanted this guy over Schottenheimer? Jesus Christ. Only Miami posts worse sack ratio than this tool.

    P.S. Jets sack ratio was paltry 5.33% last year, good for 8th in the entire league. Martz had highest sack ratio that year, logging at whopping +12%, meaning you could expect a sack out of every 8 drop backs. Have fun with that QB killer, folks.
     
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  8. CurbYourEnthusiasm

    CurbYourEnthusiasm Well-Known Member

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    I remember Hunter getting destroyed by Ware not Brick.

    Brick got destroyed by Patriots DL Andre Carter (4.5 sacks). So Brick's down season season was mostly due to one game.

    Either way you slice it, the o-line was a weakness this year.
     
  9. Mantana Soss

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    Ha, from the main page this thread shows as "D'Brickashaw Ferguson gave up..."

    I'm thinking... Oh no, not him too!
     
  10. Truthfully, the Jets have a very good line. Hunter is definitely replaceable but this is a talented group. I do think Brick had a subpar year for his standards and Moore took a step back...but overall Mangold/Brick/Moore/Slauson is a damn good start to a football team.

    I believe alot of the troubles w/ sacks/pressure is based off of 2 reasons

    1. No big plays from run OR pass.- Defensive coordinator's think "Hmm..I've got a young QB who gets flustered, and a system that lacks the big play. Why NOT attack the line of scrimmage". Schottenheimer had NO answer for pressure against elite defenses. Teams Tee'd off...and when you don't make aggressive D coordinator's pay...any O-line is gonna give up free men to the QB. Interestingly enough, the O-line's best day came against KC who WAS bringing pressure b/c the Jets kept coming at them w/ well executed screens.


    2. When Rex said the jets "Aren't built" to throw the ball 60 times, he was talking mostly about the O-line.With the exception of Brick, This is a run first group.Slauson,Moore and Hunter are maulers. Downhill players. They are not gonna hold up for 50+ passes a game if the offense isn't moving the ball.

    This off season needs to be about figuring out how to move the chains, getting more yards per snap and creating more big plays down field. Until those things pick up, the running game will never get momentum, which will force the offense to play from behind and rely on the pass, which in turn will continue to have D coordinators Teeing off, which this O-line is not equipped to handle.
     
  11. Mantana Soss

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    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

    Here are some fun numbers.

    In terms of run blocking, FO thinks we have the 7th best O-line. So why wasn't our run game better?

    28th best on getting to the second level.
    32nd best on long runs.
    ...but 4th best at running up the gut.

    Looks to me like Shonn Greene is slow and non-elusive.

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    Also, this is just based on giving up sacks, but 17th best adjusted pass blocking isn't TERRIBLE... it's just not great. And great is what Mark Sanchez seems to require (8th best in '10)
     
  12. tank75

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    all the more reason to call for schottys head

    line was built to run, ended up sitting back in protection most of the time. its like buying a truck that runs on diesel and using kerosene because its gotten you to where you need to go before so fuck the diesel.
     
  13. ace_o_spades

    ace_o_spades New Member

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    Ferguson was pretty bad this year too.
     
  14. Zach

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    What is interesting is who is coming up ahead and behind the Jets in terms of pass protection. It happens to be Dallas Cowboys, and Green Bay Packers. (Yes. Packers did worse that Jets did in terms of pass protection.) Clearly, Sanchez is not someone who will make something out of nothing - he needs a real good OL to thrive.
     
  15. Passepartout

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    The offense line needs a lot of work. In order to protect their QB. But then again, Sanchez did hold the ball a little too long those five or six times.
     
  16. rohirrim665

    rohirrim665 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, compensating for Hunter made a huge difference. Thats why you can't afford to have even one weak link on the offensive line.
     
  17. Harpua

    Harpua Well-Known Member

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    Greene is not Slow, but he's a stright line down hill runner. He's Thomas Jones with a bit more power. We need a more complete back to pair with him.
     
  18. Organized Chaos

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    Go watch The three mark sanchez ints in the last game. In two of the three bricks man was pressuring Sanchez.
     
  19. Flyboy

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    I agree. D'Brick did regress a little this year, but this could also be attributed to having a LG like Slauson being beside him not doing his part. Then again, the whole Offensive Line was terrible this year, making Mark Sandwich the delight of all D-Linemen.
     
  20. Harpua

    Harpua Well-Known Member

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    Not sure why your putting any of Brick's problems on Slauson, who himself had a fine year.

    Brick was getting beat wide on several of the sacks. Teams were going around both him and Hunter far too often. On pass pro our interior line was not great, but not awful. It was pressure off the edge that was killing us.
     

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