I won't have a problem with Douglas trading out of the #2 spot, as long as he trades down no further than around 5-8 and takes a QB.
I've put my faith in Douglas, too, but if he trades out of #2 and then doesn't take one of Wilson or Lance, I will lose ALL trust and faith in him, and will want him fired. He won't be, so I will be done with the Jets.
Well who in that range is going to want Fields or Wilson bad enough to give up enough to jump potentially 6 spots? Bengals obviously no Reports are the Eagles are sticking with Wentz MAYBE the Lions? I would say most likely not Panthers are the closest match The bottom line is we have no clue how GMs and coaches are ranking this QB class. There are question marks galore. I personally don't think teams are going to be willing to give up a ton of draft capital to select a QB that they don't value highly when someone of equal value will probably be there for them (Lance, Mac Jones, etc). What we have to hope is that someone REALLY wants Sewell because they probably have to get above Miami to get him, definitely above Cincy.
If Douglas' goal is to win "a" SB, then his goals are too low, and imo he is not the right GM for the Jets or any NFL team. You're right that his moves so far have been "smart." That's why I don't think any of you are right that he will trade down, take a position player and not take a QB high, because imo that would be a freaking stupid thing to do, and would show that he is clueless. If you and other posters are right about what his plans and goals are, then I will be done with him and the Jets. I have zero interest in seeing the team trying to win with some B of C level QB. I've banged my head against the wall long enough with this freaking franchise.
there are a significant % of throws off platform for sure. i wonder what the actual % is, thatd be interesting 2 know. btw, ur sig is funny af
I compare the footwork of a NFL QB to baseball. Ya, the pitcher always takes a controlled wind-up, perfect footwork, and throws the baseball hard to the catcher's glove. But then we see many great throws from a shortstop who just dove 10 feet to his right laying out his body to snag the ball, rolling over onto their knees and throwing an 80mph dart across the entire infield to the outstretched glove of the first baseman. Bang Bang....HE'S OUT!!!! Now, of course we'd like our NFL QBs to be like the pitcher, always in full control of his feet, his body, his release. But SO much of what a QB does is on the run, moving around, moving up, moving back, dodging blizters, then split-second launching the ball 40 yards downfield. Zero time to 'set his feet'. Zero time to 'control his body'. It's all 100% adrenalin, panic, and second nature. This is what makes Patrick Mahomes such a great QB...so little of what his does is perfectly scripted. And Sam has that same gene. Just gotta somehow bring it out in the right way. Seeing the field and knowing (without thinking) who's going where would be a great start. But 'footwork'? Nah...
In my post I specifically mentioned that Douglas is looking to build a SUSTAINABLE winner, so where you get the idea that I suggested he'll settle for "A" SB is puzzling. If he doesn't do what you think is "smart", and that's the final straw for you, I'm sorry to hear that, but no matter what you or I or anyone else here thinks, Douglas is going to do things according to his blueprint, and I'm thankful that at least he has one, as opposed to Maccagnan's "BPA every time", or Idzik's "dart board" strategy.
It’s not even so much level of competion w Wilson.BYU has a good track record w NFL players & is well respected going back a long ways. Hes just not all that impressive as an NFL prospect. He has a slightly above average arm,people wanna say he has a cannon. Hes an average athlete outside the pocket yet we hear hes a legit dual threat.He makes good college level throws that arent all that impressive people compare him to Mahomes.Thats before the shoulder issues Really havent seen a QBs stock get this inflated since Jake Locker
I took your literal words. " Sorry to bear bad tidings, but the reality is as you stated: Douglas learned under two different teams that you don't need a great QB to win a SB." You aren't the first to say "Douglas knows he can win a SB with less of a QB." I don't believe it's possible to even get to more than one SB, much less win more than one SB with a QB like Flacco or QBs of that ilk. I think the only real chance of getting to and winning multiple SBs is to have an elite FQB.
They'd work. So will Flacco, or Darnold. One would be lucky to get to the playoffs with Darnold, much less get to and win a SB.
I see Lance as a raw version of Mahomes. His weaknesses can be fixed with the right CS, which we hopefully have. Just not sure he's a Shanahan system QB.
Consistent, repeatable footwork and mechanics are important to produce consistent, repeatable accuracy...up to a point. But the reality is that there many - maybe the majority of - great QBs (and athletes in all sports) who "break the rules" and are great anyway. Tarkenton, Elway, Favre, Rothlisberger, are four (edited) that come to mind who had unorthodox mechanics but who had great success. The big advantage of teaching consistent, repeatable mechanics is that it allows the majority of potential players to acquire competency, but this does not guarantee greatness. That's because there are other key elements in a great athlete besides great physical abilities and "mechanics". I'm NOT saying that Darnold is great, or that he can even become great, but just because some of his mechanics are unorthodox doesn't necessarily prevent him from being the best he can be. That said, I DO think that he should work on getting his footwork and mechanics more consistent in order to make his accuracy more consistent and repeatable. But he's never going to be the "poster boy QB" for how to play the position.
Ya he needs some work there. When I go back and watch his youtube vids, I don't see too many throws from a clean pocket with time to 'set up' before he throws. In 2019 he was the most harassed QB in football, under pressure 90% of the time. He needs to work on his footwork AND we need an oline that actually gives him time to set up properly.
thats why i wondered what the avg % off off platform throws actually is in the NFL. and sure, Sam makes SOME of these throws. Most Qbs make SOME. its frequency/consistency . speaking of consistency....these past few days , after the natty, i was wondering what will become of mac jones. he seems pretty damned impressively accurate.
Look, I'd love to have the Jets become the successors to the Patriots as multi-year winners of the SB, but the reality is they're the rare exception (aided greatly by cheating IMO). But if the Jets were consistently contending, winning AFC championships, being in the CG most years, winning a SB every 3-5 years, I'd sure take that. I'm not sure why you have such dogmatic belief that THIS YEAR'S QB class is so great, and that a great QB can't be gotten next year or the year after. Yes, I do agree that there are a lot of good prospects this year AND that having the #2 pick is a rare occurrence that they could use to take one of these QBs. But, no offense, you, I, nor anyone here has the knowledge and expertise and access to the data that Douglas has. Moreover, he's shown me that he's a good, if not very good, evaluator of talent, so if he thinks there isn't QB that he wants this year, I'm going to have to defer to his judgment. I understand that this pisses you off, but that's my opinion.
I'm curious about Jones too. In my amateur opinion I could see him being a great QB in the NFL. Maybe this will guarantee he isn't, but I honestly see a strong parallel between Brady and Jones. I shudder to think of Jones winding up on the Patriots under BB.
That is an interesting point, I am wondering who is drafted first overall if let's say Fields with today's accomplishments is in that draft with Kyler. I really think Fields goes ahead, and here is why. Both guys have a lot of similarities, where they possess elite athleticism. Fields was higher rated out of HS as one of the best all time, but Kyler was a 5 star recruit as well. Both missed first years of College with incumbent starting, and both ended up transferring. Kyler did not play at all in his "true" sophomore. Fields went on to have a really great year in Ohio state in his second year, taking his team to play-offs, finishing 3d overall in NCAA. Also finished 3d in Heisman. In his third year Kyler sat again, this time behind Baker. Fields had another great season, this time went to NCAA finals, finishing 2nd in NCAA. Voted 7th in Heisman. Fields did not have 4th year, while Kyler did, and had a great year, going to semifinals, finishing 4th in NCAA, and won Heisman. Both ended College careers (assuming Fields declares) as very accurate, Kyler 67%, 50/14 TD/INT and Fields 68%, 67/9 TD/INT. Bother good runners, but Kyler is more powerful one. Now that's just careers, but as far as evaluation, both have big arm (Fields may be even bigger), both are elite athletes, dual threat, very accurate, can make every throw. I feel the big difference would be the size of Fields. Kyler is 5'10", and Fields is 6'3" . With both guys mobile, there would some concern about possible injury given Kyler is a smaller guy. Also Kyler only played one year, his 4th year, which is another concern. Fields would be on his 3d year, and showed consistent year to year performance and also improvement. He just checks more boxes. I feel that would make him #1 overall in that draft. I certainly do not see where Kyler is "absolutely" a better prospect.
