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  1. Brien O'Ken

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    Maybe I'm not remembering the off-season well enough, but which veteran QB are people suggesting Tanny should have brought in to backup Sanchez? Leftwich? He got benched by the worst team in the NFL.
     
  2. MadBacker Prime

    MadBacker Prime THE Dead Rabbit

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    Maybe Garcia???

    I still want him in there but just throwing a name out.
     
  3. bigmehl

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    Again the CS isn't calling plays for Sanchez that give him only 1 option, no OC would do that with any QB period. Sanchez is having problems looking off his primary and/or checking down when necessary like TBJ stated.

    Now I'll agree it doesn't help that our #1 Wr has been here 10 days and our #2 has barely played at the NFL level and on top of that our TE is doing his best Venus DeMilo impression.

    Bottom line Sanchez had a terrible game . The difference between winning and losing in the NFL is pretty slim , Sanchez makes a few of those throws or better yet doesn't make some of those throws and the Jets win.

    He will learn from this , he will get better and hopefully we'll all laugh about this at a later stage.
     
  4. Br4d

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    Two totally different situations. If a rookie runningback fumbled 5 times he'd be working his way out of the league because runningbacks don't fumble 15-20 times a year on the average. They fumble like 5 times if they're not particularly good at holding onto the rock.

    The coaching staff put Sanchez into the position to throw those 5 picks by calling passes when they didn't need to in lousy weather on a day when the QB looked kind of shaky to start with.

    I just don't see how the Jets could take the single most valuable asset on the team and use him that way. What's the benefit for them in setting him up to fail like that? They win this game by default if they just take it.

    What did they want to get out of this? Proof positive that Sanchez was a great QB in lousy conditions? What were the odds they were going to get that? 10%?

    It was just terrible coaching on their part to let this devolve this way. Now every pick he throws is going to be put under a microscope and he's going to become the anchor that keeps the Jets from moving forward.

    You know how Houston destroyed David Carr? Yeah.
     
  5. bigmehl

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    Who set him up to fail . he had a bad game - get over it .

    You don't develop a QB by coddling him and preventing him from throwing the ball. He'll learn from his mistakes , by breaking down game film and learning to go through his progressions. If he doesn't learn,then guess what,no coddling in the world will get him to respond. He either has the ability to learn and adapt or he's not the QB we all think he can be. I've seen enough to think he has great potential .

    Houston destroyed Carr but putting him behind a sieve of an offensive line and let him get pounded over and over again . Comparing that situation to this is ridiculous.
     
  6. Red Menace

    Red Menace Well-Known Member

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    Well if Rex is going to encourage BS to simplify the offensive scheme then I think we can win on Sunday because I think that is what he needs right now, he can make the throws, I think everything is just too fast for him right now. Keep it basic and it starts slowing down for him.
     
  7. MadBacker Prime

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    Yeah, the Houston game plan was perfect.

    Rushes, and some simple PA passes.

    Even on the third and longs we didn't do anything outrageous, Mark just made the throws we needed.
     
  8. bigmehl

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    In Houston Sanchez made many 3rd and long completions
    And yesterday Mark didn't make the throws we needed plain and simple.
     
  9. ace_o_spades

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    We didn't need any throws on Sunday period. We pounded the ball for over 300 yards, yet Sanchez threw 29 times. That's an absurd amount considering the amount of success we had on the ground
     
  10. bigmehl

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    Stop reading the boxscore simply for the stats. Do a little more investigation and look at the drive charts - see how many 3rd and longs we faced - see how many 1 and 2 yard runs we had
     
  11. Jet Blue

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    Favre looks pretty good right now.

    Problem was coaching last year as well.... Last years Oakland game was pretty much just like the Bills game yesterday minus the wind and cold.....

    We had a team that we can finally run the ball down their throats and The Jets and Schott had their brand new Favre toy and they had the balls to come out with an empty backfield for most of that 1st half and rarely ran the ball... INFREAKINGSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favre go the shit kicked out of him in that game UNECESSARILY.... And I think that's when his nagging injuries started...

    You see, no matter if it's Brett Favre or Mark Sanchez, Year 1 or year 20, if you can just run the ball down someone's throat and beat someone down, you do it.
     
  12. Jet Blue

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    Sometimes it's more than fine to hand the ball off to Leon, get what you can and play FIELD POSITION as opposed to throwing the ball into the wind with a neophyte QB...


    .... Hey, I bet you they start doing that more NOW.
     
  13. Jet Blue

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    In Houston, the weather was perfect and Mark didn't jump around with happy feet and show signs of disaster. In Houston, the running game wasn't working till late. In Houston, the Jets prepared for 6 months and had all hands on deck.
     
  14. ace_o_spades

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    2 of his picks came on 1st down. That big 16 yard sack came on a 2nd and 8 when we were driving on the strength of our running game and a deep PA pass was called

    The reality is that on a day when were running the ball phenomenally well with the other team's starting QB injured we should have won the game by owning the field position battle and winning "ugly" esp. considering this was Sanchez's first experience in poor weather
     
  15. Jet Blue

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    Ummm, yeah you do develop a QB by coddling him IN THE WIND AND COLD FOR HIS 1st TIME!!!!!

    You certainly do.. WITH A LEAD.

    The guy should still be in college or at least on the bench - You act as if this is Peyton Manning after 4 years of Highly successful college games....
     
  16. Jet Blue

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    Of course.
     
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    Rex is not Herm or Mangini , he wants his team to be agressive in all aspects of the game . Yes, its appropriate play field position in some instances . But to abandon the passing game because 20-25 mph wind is simply uncalled for.
     
  18. bigmehl

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    Peyton Manning didn't become Peyton Manning by simply playing 4 years of college football. He took his lumps and had his bad games . No Qb is going to grow by shielding him from bad situations.
     
  19. Jet Blue

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    With a lead Vs a team that has self imploded for years I STRONGLY disagree...

    You run all you can you eat the clock and you force the Bills to march the field...


    Hey, Mehl, If we were playing the Colts, I'd sit back and wouldn't be as pissed I'd say OK Mehl, You know what, sometimes you have to go for it and we know Indy is going to score...

    BUT, we don't know if Buffalo, with a 3rd string QB could ever score again if they had to march the field... let alone twice.]

    Mehl... I never even heard of that Bufflo QB...
    Serious I forget his name right now - was it Ryan Fitpatrick?

    I don't know..... But, with or without Jenkins, this defense should be able to shut down an offense that didn't score a TD Vs Cleveland AT HOME.
     
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  20. bigmehl

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    Ok ,so now its not ok to throw on 1st down. You guys are a riot.
    When is is appropriate to throw. Let's see it was windy - we should of just had Sanchez hand off every play and we would have gained 777 yards rushing :rofl:
     

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