Curtis Martin Hall of Fame Thread

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  1. JStokes

    JStokes Well-Known Member

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    But tops in DWI arrests. That's gotta count for something.

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  2. Trip McNealy

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    lol, Andre Reed with four 1k seasons in 16 years is an obvious HOF, but Strahan is not because he's on tv now.
     
  3. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    where did I say Andre was an obvious HOFer? I said he was a better WR than Strahan a pass rusher. it's always important to actually read what I post.
     
  4. Trip McNealy

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    It seems to me you're not a fan of Strahan. Obviously, getting in on the second ballot vs the 9th- the football world would disagree with you.
     
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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    again, he made it b/c of a sham sack record and b/c of his TV stuff. he doesn't belong but there are tons of guys that don't belong, the Hall adds undeserving players every year. he is the latest in a long line.
     
  6. Trip McNealy

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    link?
     
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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    If you can find a source that references the HOF voters taking into account Michael Strahan taking over for Regis Philbin being a big reason they decided to induct him into the Hall, please share. If not, we're just going to assume you're talking out of your ass here.
     
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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    it's not something anyone would admit but it's real. how can a guy who was supposedly an all time great pass rusher only have 6 DD sack seasons in 15 years? doing it from the left side too! very good player, not an all time great but the Hall is a joke.
     
  10. Trip McNealy

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    Because Strahan was more than a pass rusher. Playing the left side doesn't hurt his career at all and statistically, his sack numbers are all time. He wasn't an elite pass rusher, but pass rushing alone doesnt get you into the HOF. Strahan was an elite football player that happened to be a very good pass rusher. Judging solely on sacks would be like judging CB's strictly on interceptions. Deion's like 25th all time....Revis wont even sniff the all time INT leaders.
     
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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    his sack #s are all time b/c:

    a)sacks didn't become official until 1982
    b)he played 15 years against inferior RTs

    great CBs don't get a ton of INts b/c QBs usually stay away from them, great apss rushers are judge don getting to the QB. the 2 are nothing alike.

    he made the Hall as an elite pass rusher so if he wasn't one then surely you agree he doesn't belong, right?
     
  12. Trip McNealy

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    He made the hall because he was an elite football player. I don't know why you're so caught up on the sack numbers(which are all time anyways).
     
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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    all time b/c the sack stat didn't exist 11 years before he started playing and b/c teams threw much more in his era than previous eras.

    I don't like seeing undeserving players make it, it should be for the best of the best but it's not.
     
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    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    Hmmm. Who to listen to? Biased Jets fan/Giants hater on message board or the combination of common sense, film and the actual words from an actual PFHOF voter? Hmmm. Tough one.
     
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    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    I am not convinced it is easier to get sacks from the left side. Coaches are generally going to put the more complete player on the left side and put the more one dimensional player on the right.

    Rice was a one dimensional player. Harvey Martin, Hugh Douglas, and John Abraham are others like him.
     
  16. JStokes

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    You're wrong about Reed :D but Michael Strahan is an absolute Hall of Famer.

    As good against the run as he was as a pass rusher, and he was an elite pass rusher.

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  17. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    Okay. I don't disagree that he's a record holder by a sham of a play. But he still had 21.5 OTHER sacks that year, which by my count is still very impressive.
     
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    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    Not nearly as often. A large majority of plays have the TE lined up on the Right side of the line.

    Strahan compares favorably against everyone of his contemporaries. Posting sacks per game stats does not tell the whole story. He was a complete DE who played well against the run as well as rush the passer.
     
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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    the HOF committee plays on emotion and stats when making their presentation for players. on paper strahan looks like a HOFer, this is why so many undeserving guys make it.

    and those guys had to face elite LTs not the Jon Runyon types.

    great season w/o a doubt but didn't help Giants make playoffs so did it in mostly meaningless time and is roger maris a HOFer? he had the HR record for many years.

    they don't have playing against the run #s to look at, pass rushers are judged by how often they get to the QB and he did so at a lesser rate than most of those guys facing RTs.
     
  20. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    You still haven't realized football is a team game I see. You can't pin their 7-9 record on Strahan.

    You shouldn't need stats to know if someone was good against the run or not. It was quite evident just by watching him play.
     

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