Cromartie could be the key to Jets defense- NY Daily News

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  1. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I'm not really concerned about their feelings, it's just not necessary to take a shot at your former players as they leave. that is what fans do not what coaches should do.
     
  2. Hemi

    Hemi Well-Known Member

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    Let's be fair junc, Sheppard was benched in the playoffs. It is not like he left on good terms. He only got back in when Strickland went down, again.

    No I don't mean bash the guy, but he apparently had issues with the team. Good on him to keep quiet, but obviously, Rex was not happy, otherwise, why bench your starting CB in the playoffs.
     
  3. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    We all know that, I don't think it's a good thing to bash your players when they leave. The current guys see that and it could become a trust issue. There isn't any good that come out of naming names like that.
     
  4. Zach

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    Pettine wasn't talking about neither Sherry nor Shito. "Guys we got are clearly superior to the ones they replaced." is hardly a knock anyway. If you don't think the new guys are upgrades over the ones you shipped, why even bother bringing them in?
     
  5. MurrellMartin

    MurrellMartin Well-Known Member

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    Could be?

    He will be, and he has been since we traded for him.

    The reason we lost to Indianapolis is because we had nothing behind Revis, absolutely nothing. Now with Cromartie, and hopefully Wilson, we do. Our biggest need was finding legitimate #2 Cornerback to pair alongside Revis and if Cromartie plays anything like he did in 2007, along with Kris Jenkins back on the DLine, this is going to be a special year.
     
  6. Zach

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    If Drew Coleman didn't suck so bad, Jets could have been to the SB last year. Yeah, Lito sucked big hairy balls (hence was benched) but Lowery held his own very well. While he might not be a #2 material, he will provide relief depth if either Cro or K-Dub falters. (If Cro falls, then K-Dub will take #2 role, and Lowery will be the nickel back.)

    And if Drew Coleman didn't suck so bad...
     
  7. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    There's no way the Jets can lock Cromartie up easily with a medium cheap extension this year. He was the 19 pick in 2006 and so his value was high but the contract was not huge. Those guys always are looking for a star level contract the second time around unless they totally disappointed in the first contract. The big year in 2007 and the ok ones in 2008 and 2009 mean that Cromartie is looking to have a career year this year and lock up a big deal starting next season. His agent would be committing malpractice if he let Cromartie sign anything but a topflight deal right now.
     
  8. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    This is a depth issue caused by the Jets practice in recent years of trading up in the draft when the opportunity presents itself. We had very subpar corners behind Revis, Sheppard (who actually was good until he got hurt), Strickland and Lowery. We got to the AFC championship and Sheppard and Strickland failed to show well for different reasons and suddenly the Jets had Drew Coleman on the field and Lowery matched up against players he couldn't cover well and everything went south in a hurry.

    The Jets solution to their cornerback problems going into last season was to sign an inconsistent player and an injury-prone one and we got killed at the end by inconsistency and injuries at the position.

    Drew Coleman is not an NFL CB. He wouldn't be on any team in that role unless they had real depth issues in front of him.
     
  9. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I don't think any team has the depth to withstand losing 2 of their top 3 corners.
     
  10. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    The Jets second CB last year was a player who had been very inconsistent over the previous four seasons. The third CB was very injury-prone. That the Jets wound up short effective corners at the end of the season was the expectation, not the exception.

    You can make the argument that the Jets were hamstrung one last time at the end of last season by Terry Bradway's ineffectiveness at finding and retaining quality players in the draft. He drafted Justin Miller in the 2nd round of 2005 and Derrick Strait in the 3rd round of 2004 and neither of those players turned out to be NFL caliber. Those would have been the natural slots on the roster, in the last years of their rookie contracts in 2008 and 2009, that would have allowed the Jets to avoid taking other team's castoffs for their 2009 run. Drew Coleman was an ineffective pick in 2006 and the fact that the Jets did not add an NFL caliber CB in the draft from 2002 to 2006 effectively created a depth problem at the position that crippled Rex Ryan at the end of last season. The spackling and patching that the Jets tried to do with Sheppard and Strickland was too little too late for the type of defense Ryan runs.

    This season they have made a much greater effort at the position and so we're likely to have better luck there moving forward.
     
  11. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    You are blaming Bradway for 2009? :lol:
     
  12. Dierking

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    Weren't you the guy saying that CBs are most emphatically NOT the position players you build a defense around?
     
  13. Zach

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    I belong to that camp too - I still stand by that creed. I still think CBs are luxuries whereas stud NT is a necessity.

    Just... I think that Revis is that rare once-in-a-lifetime kind of talent. You don't pass up those kind of talent, no matter where they play.
     
  14. Br4d

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    I absolutely was. Rex Ryan's defense is polar opposite to every other NFL defense out there. He plans to have 2 or 3 DB's in man-to-man coverage on most passing downs and everybody else trying to disrupt the QB's timing.

    The only fellow traveler in this theme for Ryan was Jim Johnson of the Eagles and he didn't go all the way with the 2.5 second philosophy (make sure the QB is forced to do something with the ball in under 2.5 seconds on every passing play) the way Ryan did.

    I still believe that CB's are among the lowest impact players on an NFL defense as a whole, however Ryan's particular take on pass defense greatly promotes their value. Revis is a huge impact player because Ryan's defense never allows a QB to accurately assess his options. This leads to a bunch of throws actually going in Revis direction and those are mostly wasted plays. When a QB gets time to read the field even Revis looks less good than he otherwise would, as evidenced from his good but but not great performance against the Colts once the pressure was off Manning.

    If the Jets went back to a more laid-back pass defense, with lots of zone and one with Revis on the #1 WR, they'd be much less effective overall because the opposing QB's would be able to move the ball through the air even if they didn't have the #1 available most of the the time. This would look a lot like 2008, where Revis was very effective but the Jet's pass defense was not. It would look a lot like the Raiders, where Asomugha is very effective but the Raider's pass defense is not.

    I'll actually go a step further here. If for whatever reason Darrelle Revis became unavailable to the Jets next season their pass defense would suffer some but would likely still be effective. If Rex Ryan became unavailable all bets are off the table and the Jets might well revert to a middle of the pack or below pass defense.
     
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    AYFKM???

    Reggie Wayne - 3 for 55yd w/ long of 25.

    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010012400/2009/POST20/jets@colts#tab:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-boxscore

    Yeah - Revis was good - not great....Why? Because he was only able to cover one receiver instead of 3?
     
  16. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    Did the Jets really get that much pressure on the QB last season?
     
  17. Br4d

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    All season long. They had 5 and 6 men coming on the average passing down and often sold out with 7 or 8 men and the times when they were least effective is when they decided for whatever reason that they could not blitz regularly.

    If you look at what really killed the Jets last season it was the games where they were short on CB's who could man-to-man cover and jam at the line and as a result could not blitz aggressively.
     
  18. ukilledkenny

    ukilledkenny You bastards!

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    if you remember the game revis was beat on a few plays early in the game that peyton simply missed on the throw. the stats look good but the game tape will tell you revis looked about as human as he ever did last year in that game.
     
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    great job ... nice read ....
     
  20. WhiteShoeWillis

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    You're probably right, well said.
     

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