If Geno struggles period, it will create distractions, it doesn't matter who the backup QB is wherever it be Sanchez, Garrard, or Lord Jesus. Welcome to NY
Actually it won't do anything for the Jets free agent comp picks, since Sanchez is most likely to get cut before the $2M roster bonus comes due. Cut players never figure into the free agent comp calculations. The only way to have a player figure into the calculation is if his contract expires and another team signs him.
Please no more Mark Sanchez. To me the main difference on the team this season is not having him behind center. Even though Geno at times is a mini-Mark I'll take it over the real Mark and hopefully let's go forward with this team. There is also no guarantee that Geno will be the long term starting Qb here. It's been reported that Idzik is scouting Qbs like Mariotta. Mark's only true success however was as a ground and pound Qb. When they took the reins off him and stopped the color coding that's when things fell apart. He cannot operate as a throwing Qb. So in that way he is similar to Alex Smith except one important thing. Alex learned from his mistakes and accepted that role and Mark doesn't. He keeps thinking he's Drew Brees and even in pre-season continued to throw into coverages, etc. Don't want him back but he will have a chance to play somewhere else. Also he's still on a contract and if he stays it's (not guaranteed) over 8 mil per. Of course that would be renogiated but please no.
He could I suppose, but I doubt he would want to, and I doubt the Jets would do such a thing. It wouldn't be an actual pay cut. A restructuring, more years / less up front money. Why would the Jets want to do that? It would just be delaying the hit even more years. Sanchez wouldn't want it anyway, he'd be locking himself in for less money (as he wouldn't see the final years of that contract) When Alex Smith "restructured" it came at a time when restructuring was common, now teams are seeing the consequences/aftermath and shying away. Smith also had a shot at retaining the QB position on his team with a new staff and bet on himself. Sanchez, no shot. It makes the most sense for all involved that he gets cut in the offseason. He'd be free to sign anywhere and I'd be stunned if it's back here. He will end up for one of the teams with a QB need that doesn't take one in April.
The thread will be what posters choose to make it. I believe in the referenced parallel, Alex Smith was also coming off a year where he was placed on injured reserved due to a shoulder injury. So the situations are very much similar. It seems under Idzik starters are named on a week to week basis. What we may call a QB controversy may be considered a QB competition by the FO.
except the injury isn't the only element to the situation. who did the 49ers have as a QB as well on the roster that supplanted Smith the way Geno has Mark? that is like saying because a white crayon and white paint are similar they are the same, so you should just color your house with a crayon. no, there are differences that are greater than just both being white, thus making the white an irrelevant factor.
I think, in a normal situation, a pay cut would make sense. However, Sanchez and the Jets are not in a normal situation. It would be best for both sides to move on. You guys know I have been a BIG Sanchez supporter, but his time as a Jet is over. No doubt about it.
Your comments are so absolute. According to Sanchez and many pundits he had won the competition. Even after he got injured Rex continued to proclaim the competition was still going. He is now on injured reserved and Geno is still being named the starter on week to week basis. What evidence is there that he would have "no shot" other than a fed up fan base? Note EVERYONE was stunned when Alex Smith returned to the 49ers that's the whole point of this thread.
Shaun Hill was 7-3 as a starter for them when Smith was injured or benched. This is why many assumed Smith would be cut and the new regime would draft a QB to compete with Hill. In the words of Scooby Doo "ruh roh???"
agreed, the jets are better off moving on and supporting the new guy (simms is a viable backup for the time being as well) and sanchez is better off with a change of scenery. the jets can easily go into next year with just Smith and Simms and maybe some other flyer if they want, and only spend about 2-3 million on the QB position while they pay for some other players contracts (like Wilkerson) and potentially some FA Receiver support. the odds of Sanchez getting a chance to start are greater outside of NY, he can be a part of a competition somewhere where he'll be seen as a low cost potentially high reward addition. here, at this point, he's just dead weight and a time waster for a new addition with arguably more upside. I don't dislike as much as most do and he might well be the next alex smith, but the jets are in no position to find out given what they have to work with.
You do realize everyone of you points is an opinion and not fact. 1. Shaun Hill was 7-3 as a starter for the 49ers when Smith was hurt or benched. The only reason they continued to go back to Smith was because he was a high draft pick. In FACT, Hill won the open competition outright at the start of the next season even after Smith took the pay cut. 2. Take that on with Rex and Idzik. I'm simply taking them at their word. 3. Similar does NOT mean equal. Whether the successor was already on the team or drafted at a later time, has no impact on the opportunity for Mark to be flipped for a draft pick. You may not like it but the situations are similar in MANY ways. Absolutely terrible counter by you all together.
The problem with keeping Sanchez, even at a reduced salary, is that his decision making is seriously suspect and because of that and his ball security issues, he would be a terrible backup QB for the jets. Given the jets strong D and running game, the jets backup QB would best be served by a classic game manager.
Keeping him around is not as far fetched as it would seem and the Jets could make it work financially for both parties. He counts 4.8MIL against the cap even if he is off the roster plus you have to find another QB at minimum salary in the best case scenario. If Sanchez is interested in making the most money possible the Jets are in a position to give him the most. If they pay him the roster bonus of 2MIL and pay him the 6th year veteran minimum salary of 685K that would work out to roughly a 4.285MIL cap hit for him next year (2MIL roster bonus + 1.6MIL per year amortized signing bonus previously paid + 685K salary). Since his salaries going forward are not guaranteed he can be cut the following season with 2 years left on his contract at 3.2MIL in dead money and if they want to get cute they can make him a June 1st 2015 cut spreading the hit out over 2 years at 1.6MIL per year in 2015 and 2016. Would Sanchez get 2.7MIL on the open market coming off a missed season with his previous performance issues?? It's an interesting question.
So, let's say Geno finishes out the season with the same inconsistent play and Sanchez approaches Idzik with the idea of staying, taking a pay cut and competing for a job he feels he already won. You believe Idzik says no, there's is no pay cut amount you could take that would make me want to entertain the thought of keeping you around?
No, Marks needs a fresh start somewhere else so it doesn't make sense for him. And he's not getting a starting gig, not for a while unless there are injuries involved. _
Whats the kids name that plays for nothern Illinois....i cant think of his name name...dual threat can pass and run.
Funny you said "fresh start". http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2009/03/alex-smith-unfi.html Maybe was he needs is MM, Lee and competition. Again with these absolutes. So you say; I myself have no idea. Stranger things have happened.
that Shawn Hill, he certainly set the NFL on fire after leaving the 49ers and proved how viable a starter he was. clearly despite his record the 49ers weren't sold on him and is regarded as a back up. no, the that "is an opinion" is the hallmark sign of a bad argument and inability to dispute the opinion. opinions are what are being argued obviously, so there is no need to qualify it as such -- it is obvious, and that isn't a negative to an argument. the issue at hand is who can support their opinion with valid evidence. 1. Shaun Hill's career validates my opinion, not yours. 2. there simply is nothing to discuss with Rex and Idzik preferring Geno. They said there would be a QB competition this year. there not being one next year is a completely different scenario. differences...something you are having difficulty addressing. 3. wrong. Smith's opportunity to play after restructuring is why they were able to flip him for a draft pick. that situation is not similar to Mark's situation with the Jets with Geno Smith, so the situations aren't comparable and your attempt to claim they are similar is invalid. the differences is greater than the similarities. how many similarities is irrelevant if the difference is greater. making further bad arguments that ignore the differences doesn't discredit my initial counter.
Exactly, this is why I think this is something Mark and his camp would consider. However, I have no idea if it's something Idzik would entertain. If Idzik's feelings towards Sanchez and Geno is anything like the Jets fan base, then Idzik would spit at the idea regardless of the dollars as he has his QB of the future. Idzik keeps his cards close to his vest, I don't think anyone truly knows what his thoughts are on either guy.
Dude, was one of the biggest MS supporters on the board but if you say he's going to get a starting gig next year you get painted as a Sanchez fanboi :grin: Honestly, I do think he'll eventually be a starter again in the league but I can't see it for the start of 2014, not with the injury. I've always felt he needs to go somewhere like Az where he'll have a chance to unseat Palmer one day. But an injury moves him up that much faster--hell he could be a backup in Dallas or Miami or GB or NO or SD even get in the mix in Minny or Clevaland and you never knows what could happen. However, most posters here think he's going to be in the CFL or Arena league they hate him that much. :rofl: _
