Not at all. But people keep saying how Gholston is a workout warrior, yet Don is sitting there telling us all the guy is fat. I just find it ironic.
gholston's performing bad because he hasn't been playing. He's getting confused out there considering he is not only a rookie, but he's playing an entirely new position. He needs to get through these growing pains and learn the defense. I know he's learning on the bench, but IMO no amoutn of time being on the bench can truly prepare you for being in the game.
Yeah. I have a feeling at next year's TC we're gonna see a completely different player. He needs to shed about 5 pounds, work on his secondary quickness, and add acouple counter moves.Working w/ LT will do wonders. I believe the comments by Mangini are his way of trying to motivate VG. We've seen the way he plays when he's pissed(see the michigan game from last year) and this is EM's way of challenging him to step up, make a play and gain some confidence.
Jim Herrman isn't a bad coach in general (I don't know about him specifically as a linebackers coach), and as much as I hate Sutton as a DC, he was always a very good linebackers coach.
I think in the Pats' coaching system Gholston would be doing better but probably not great. I honestly think that the Jets were so freaked out that Gholston would fall to the Pats' and become a pass-rushing terror that they picked a player that they didn't want or need. We were so truly screwed at the #6 spot. All of the "elite" prospects were off the board and I doubt that there were many teams willing to cough up a 2nd rounder to move up a few spots. Sure would have been nice to trade down.
People keep saying "we picked a player we didn't need" but do I really need to remind people just how piss-poor our pass rush was last year? We definitely DID need a pass rusher. No one knew Thomas would play well this year. Actually, after last year, there were numerous posts about how people wanted both Hobson AND Thomas gone. It is very difficult to come into the NFL and light the world on fire as a pass rusher. There are numerous examples of players who struggled their first years. It's more common to struggle as a pass rusher in your first year than to dominate.
Many here mocked Vilma in the 3-4 scheme. I felt he was a serviceable LB that could have made a few adjustment. Yes he made downfield tackles and was sometimes manhandled agreed. But who the hell was he behind D-Rob the biggest piece of shit NT in the NFL. Id love to have Vilma back with Jenkins at NT. Gholston is being handled similiar to the way Vilma was mistreated stemming from the top secret injury to on field play calling.Mangini is supposedly a DB coach. It could very well be he hasnt a clue about LBs. I cant see how Gholston isnt producing the guy was all over the field in college. Something is wrong and unanswered.
Jim Hermann was Michigan's 3-4 DC before he came here. He's a better candidate for a DC than Sutton is because he knows the 3-4 defense. Honestly, the Jets need to find a true 3-4 OLB. I mean a kid who played the position 3 or 4 years at college that runs that defense. No more DEs that need to switch to the 3-4 but they have great upside.
He is not fat. Stop...just stop. He's slow right now because he's still adjusting to playing OLB. I personally felt they should have left him at DE. I think they need to let him use his God given ability and rush the passer. Right now he's over thinking everything.
I don't know why you FEEL THE NEED TO TYPE IN CAPS. The same guy you're suggesting is at fault for Gholston not looking like a football player so far has been able to coach up both Thomas and Bowens to play at a respectable level with flashes of very good. Gholston hasn't done shit or even flashed the ability to play remotely close to what those two have done. So if he has shown the ability to coach people up to at least a serviceable level which is much higher than what we've seen from Gholston, why should we believe it's the coaching that is at fault here?
No, it's not coaching, he just sucks. i think he will improve, but he just doesn't look like he really wants to play football right now
I agree with your assessment of him; this is what I've been saying is his problem. However, you can improve those areas. You're right, you can't coach speed and fitness, but there are trainers, nutritionists, strength & conditioning coaches, and speed trainers who can help Gholston. I think he needs to drop a few pounds and work intensively with a speed coach this Offseason. If he gets faster, I'd bet dollars to donuts that we see an improvement in him.
I don't think that's entirely true though. I'm sure he is over-thinking and not playing instinctively, but if you just watch him on the plays where he has to rush the QB and rush the QB only, he looks sloooww.
He's slow because he's over thinking. At Ohio St. he would get off the ball like a rocket. The problem is he's so worried about over pursuing and maintaining his responsibility that he's not rushing the passer like he can. He doesn't look out of shape to me one bit. Basically what they need to do is tell him to just go after the QB. His natural insticts and talents will begin to come out.
Agreed. BUT, there have been plays - obvious passing downs - where he's done nothing but rush the QB and he hasn't gotten off the ball quickly. In those situations, there's no responsibility to think about; it's just get after it.
That's what I mean though. I'm wondering if they're feeding him so much information that it's taking away from his natural instincts. hopefully he will get more playing time down the stretch so everything will start coming together for him.
You can lead a horse to water, but then he's got to recognize it and know it's water. Gholston hasn't figured out emotionally and viscerally how to do what LT very clearly explained to him as his problem. Everybody is going to make mistakes on the football field. But Gholston is immobilized by the fear that he's going to do the wrong thing somehow. Of course, this brain freeze often causes the very thing he is afraid of. LT pointed out in the luncheon that day that he shouldn't be afraid of making a mistake, as long as he made full-speed, going for broke. Don't know what is going to free Gholston up. Maybe it's more maturation, maybe it's more micturation, or maybe it's a little more masturbation, loosen himself up. But someday the brain drains and the body is free to act. Let's hope this happens while Gholston can still do some good for the NYJs by crushing some opposing QBs.
Yeah i think he's overwhelmed with information, over thinking on the field, and is hesitant because he doesn't want to make a mistake. i think once he makes a few plays and gets a few sacks under his belt, he will be able to loosen up and we will get a better idea of what kind of player he is.
It seems to me like there is a lot of overreacting going on. No, he hasn?t looked good in the PT that he?s gotten, and sure, we would all have loved to see him bust out in his first year and give us the bump up that we need at the LB position. And yes, being picked #6 obviously comes with very high expectations right off the bat. But look at the bigger picture. It?s well documented that plenty of guys who are stars in college and get picked high in the draft get to the NFL and just never catch on to the next level for whatever reason ? it happens. On the flip side, there are also those guys that struggle at first and then suddenly start to shine. I don?t think it?s fair to not give the guy at least a little leeway to get comfortable and start to prove himself. I?m not saying that I?m impressed so far, not at all, but I?m certainly not ready to pronounce the guy a bust yet.
