Costello: The hires that prove Woody Johnson finally gets it

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  1. VaBchJet

    VaBchJet Active Member

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    I see you've given this a lot of thought. Now you and your tin foil hat GFY's;)
     
  2. Unhappyjetsfan

    Unhappyjetsfan Well-Known Member

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    That's okay; I'm sure the Jets (and Woody Johnson) will make a terrific GM hire. They have a wonderful track record over their long and storied histories. But somehow it's my fault for pointing out the incompetence and continued desire to do things in a clearly wrong fashion. Enjoy Mike Maccagnan.
     
  3. Axel3419

    Axel3419 Well-Known Member

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    Don't act like you're not a conspiracy theorist.

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    Unhappyjetsfan Well-Known Member

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  5. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    Prove that Woody gets what?The guy is good at one thing and one thing only .....selling the Q -Tips his father made
     
  6. Axel3419

    Axel3419 Well-Known Member

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    Alright, if you really want me to take your argument seriously...

    Woody, that's who. Casserly works for Woody. Wolf works for Woody. That's what the word "consultant" means; Woody makes the decision ultimately, but his two consultants give him an insight that he doesn't have. Namely football knowledge and experience. Maybe Casserly isn't the best pick in the world but he has had success in the past and has chosen successful coaches, too.

    Did you watch Woody's press conference? Basically he said choosing a GM before a HC is his preference, but obviously this is a game of supply and demand. Multiple teams are looking for head coaches; only two are looking for GMs (I believe.) If there is a coach that is choosing between the Jets and another team and we really want him, it might be worth jumping on him now rather than waiting for a GM hire and losing out or top coaching target. That being said, I agree; I really, really hope we hire a GM candidate first.


    You have no idea if Marrone is going to get hired or not. The media has spun it that way but they don't know either. This is the definition of a conspiracy theory.... they aren't faking a search process. These interviews take time, and Woody wouldn't do all of this to throw everyone else off. Your claim simply has no basis in fact; hence, the tin foil hat.

    This claim also has no basis in fact. C'mon man. Pure speculation.

    I agree with you here; hire the best candidate, not the first one that agrees.

    How's that for ad hominem?
     
  7. Axel3419

    Axel3419 Well-Known Member

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    tl;dr. Morello basically said that hiring Casserly and Wolf was a good decision. He then wrote that we should wait for them to hire someone before complaining incessantly.
     
  8. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    Morello? Is that Carmelo And Marrones love child?
     
  9. Axel3419

    Axel3419 Well-Known Member

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    Lol best comment of the day.

    Typo on my part, haha.
     
  10. Unhappyjetsfan

    Unhappyjetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Who?

    Yes.

    All nonsense. The GM is the person who makes the personnel decisions ... that's his whole freaking job. It's why he's the General Manager and not the Low-Level Manager. The reason you have a General Manager is because he is the person you trust to (and want to) make the team's personnel decisions; The Head Coach is the most important personnel decision. You don't hire somoene, then hire his boss and say "get along". It's ridiculous.

    If I'm wrong, I'll say I'm wrong. I won't be.

    Sure they are. But hey, I'm sure you'll announce you were wrong if Marrone is the coach, right?
     
  11. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    I think people are confused when they look at GM as a one size fits all proposition.

    The only person with the final say on any sort of decision is the owner.

    In some cases where one guy (Parcells, etc.) is given both jobs there is little confusion as he is both head coach and GM. Also to get a job like that he has a long track record of success and even the owner is likely to back off on decision making because of the coach / GM's reputation.

    Sometimes the coach does not have both jobs but has a lot of pull with the owner, an inexperienced GM, or a GM that is good with numbers but has limited knowledge regarding personnel. In these cases, the GM does have to make sure that the numbers (salary cap, etc.) work but the coach has a lot of say regarding personnel. A stronger head coach is also likely to want his guys as assistants (even before we gave him all of the power here, Parcells brought many of his former Giant assistants with him to New England.

    In other cases the GM has most of the power over personnel (players, assistant coaches, etc.) and the head coach does the best he can with the groceries he is given. Even in cases such as these the coach communicates with the GM and has some say in these decisions.

    Groh had Parcells as a GM. Even though they were tight I am sure Parcells was the man in charge of that team. Since then I would say that Herm, Mangini, and Rex were all given a lot of power to choose both players and personnel.
     
  12. RuJFan

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    Kay and LaGreca just GRILLED Mehta.

    Basic premise is:
    a journalist can always find quotes to support his view. Mehta was going out of his way to find and post only bad things about Mellone, the only one to do it from all NY media. All the while neglecting to post quotes to the contrary from legit open sources like Parsells. Why is that?
    The little shit never answered.
     

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