You are letting your emotions concerning a past pick cloud your judgement. Kyle Wilson was the 29th overall pick in a draft significantly less deep than this one. Our defense in those days did not have such a dominant defensive line. Wilson was drafted because of his athletic potential, not to mention at the time he specialized in 0ff-man coverage, which is why he is better as a slot CB playing off-man. Wilson has played an important role with the team, and has been training as a slot CB for his entire tenure with us. Throwing him on the outside when Revis went down was less than ideal, because our scheme's were predicated around a true shutdown CB. Honestly I'm not going through all of this again, the more you post the more I'm becoming convinced you troll this site. Your posts are almost always 1 or 2 sentences, often repeat the same sentiment over and over, are not founded in any fact, and usually are directed towards a topic you know someone has recently already voiced their opinion on. Quit trolling.
When I first looked at draft profiles, his 40 time that I saw was 4.51. After seeing your post, I googled it again, and it's weird, because some places say his time was 4.42 and others say it was 4.51.
Not really, I am just saying we don't know what we are getting until they play. I also don't think Milliner is any whiz kid either and where did we take him 9th? He got better for the last 4 games but before that he was anything but good, so bad in fact he was benched. We had the money we should have spent some to shore up what Rex considers the most important part of any defense he is involved with. We will know real quick starting in week 2 what kind of backfield we have.
How is it trolling to point out that a draft pick is not a guaranteed thing? It isn't, at all. A veteran on the other hand is a proven thing (well outside of injury but a draft pick could get injured as well). Here's how I see it, we have two types of assets, let's call them apples (cap space) and oranges (draft picks). You can add to you team using either apples or oranges. Oranges are generally more rare and this year we only have a dozen oranges which is definitely an above average crop. On the flip side we have an entire orchard's worth of apples and with the cap going up each year that orchard is only going to get bigger and bigger. We have two options: 1) exchange one of our rare oranges for a possible contributor to our team who will cost us a small amount of apples to maintain 2) exchange a generous portion of our ever expanding stock of apples for a proven contributor to our team who will require continued apples to maintain, freeing up our rare oranges to be exchanged for contributors at other areas of the field Like I've said before: if we were 100% guaranteed to be getting a star CB who was going to come in and dominate then I wouldn't care, but we aren't. This means we're gambling a rare resource for the chance of getting someone who can help instead of exchanging a plentiful resource for a proven commodity. Milliner was the first CB off the board and was the 9th overall pick and he still isn't a proven commodity, he was mediocre to just plain bad for 3/4 of the season. Now we're possibly picking the 2nd CB off the board at 18th but he's for some reason a 100% sure thing? I don't get the logic in that...because there isn't any.
Show me a quote from Rex saying he considers CB the most important part of any defense he is involved with. Patrick Peterson was drafted 5th overall and he wasn't very good in coverage year 1 either, he just got famous very quickly because of his returning ability. Even Revis wasn't very good in coverage early in his rookie season, but he improved down the stretch. CB's just plain don't dominate in their rookie years, it is a well known fact. That doesn't mean you shouldn't take one in the first or second round, and it doesn't mean you shouldn't start a rookie CB you picked high. It just means you have to be prepared for that to be one of the weaker spots on your defense in that first year, but one of the stronger spots on your defense down the line. Slot CB is considered the most difficult position to learn in the NFL, and Kyle Wilson is one of the best slot CB's around. If you run a nickel defense as often as we do, you better have a good nickel (slot) CB
I would say your apples and oranges metaphor is totally off base. For one thing, one of those most valuable aspects of a draft pick is that it comes with a low cap hit. So in effect, you're still using apples every time you use an orange. Not to mention we've used our oranges well the past couple years, we will have to give up lots of apples to ensure we can keep what we've already spent oranges on. A better metaphor is to consider cap space as a lake. People look at that lake, and think that just because the lake is sitting there pretty full we can just use a lot of it to irrigate our farm. Now, we have to produce 53 total crops each year, but it is up to us to decide how many of each type of crop we want. Each year we are awarded a number of seed vouchers by the government in an effort to make sure each farmer has a fair chance to maintain a successful farm. We take those vouchers to the seed market, and evaluate what variety of seeds we would like to bring back to the farm and plant. The only catch is that the government lets whichever farmer had the worst crop yield last year pick his favorite seed first. Now, you can also go to another market where you can buy fully grown plants that have had a good yield in the past, but use up a lot of your irrigation so farmers chose to remove them from their farms in order to distribute their irrigation among their other crops. Seeds use the least amount of irrigation, but some seeds are are better than others (which is what you pay your seed evaluators to tell you). Even though the fully grown plants have a good chance of producing a good yield, they require lots of water from the lake. Say the Dline are different varieties of apples, and the secondary are varieties of oranges. Over the past couple years, your seed evaluator did a really good job of finding especially flavorful apples, but you know as they grow they will eventually require more and more water from the lake, but you are low on good oranges. You can either go to the market and buy an orange tree that has had years with some good yields and years with some bad yields, and you know the tree will probably die in a couple years, but either way it's fully grown and needs a lot of water. Or, you can go to the seed market and trade in your first or second voucher for an orange seed that you think will do well, it might not produce a ton of oranges until it's second year, but it will only use up a small amount of water for 4 years, allowing you to designate more lake water to those grown up apple trees that produce such especially sweet apples. The lake only refills at a certain rate, so every time you transplant a fully grown plant into your garden, you risk not having enough water to irrigate those delicious apple trees in a few years. If you have lots of delicious apples, you are getting lots of value on the open market and even if you produce only a couple oranges, the following year you could produce a lot of delicious apples AND delicious oranges if you get the right seed. If you spend water on the big orange tree, you might get lots of oranges and lots of delicious apples, but the year after that you might have to give up your amazing apple trees because you don't have enough water, and be stuck with orange trees that started producing bitter oranges. The truth is that draft picks and cap space are highly intertwined, and there is no sure thing whether its a draft pick or a free agent.
6th round QBs don't become hall of famers. Oh yeah? Tom Brady! Your statement is equivalent to this one. There will always be exceptions to the rule in the NFL, but that's what they are, exceptions.
You said that Idzik did not screw up, because "there are many good CBs in the draft" therefore it would have been a "waste" to spend money on a free agent. Now you are saying that you can't count on a rookie to play well, even a highly regarded prospect who might eventually be a very good player like Patrick Peterson. If the Jets have an immediate need at CB (which everyone seems to agree they do, hence this thread), and you can't count on a rookie to play well, how do you explain your position that Idzik did not make a mistake by missing out on all of the quality free agents, and leaving the Jets in the position of relying on the draft to fill that role? In the long term, spending a high draft pick on a CB might prove to be a smart move. But if that rookie takes any time at all to develop into a solid player, the Jets will have a glaring weakness at that position going against some very good passing teams. It seems like a mistake to me to gamble the entire season on the performance of a rookie CB, especially when the Jets are also already gambling a bit on their second year CB being able to play consistently well .
Watkins will be drafted by another team ahead of Jets before taking a cushy seat at RCMH in midtown. No way someone waits till 3rd round.
Bingo on the bolded part. Because of not addressing that position through free agency, either they have a card up their sleeve if a decent veteran becomes available or they are really playing with fire with a rookie and hoping...HOPING what we saw from Millner the last 4 or so games is where he is headed in the future. Im not into throwing money around just because you have it...and I think for the most part, Idzik is moving nice and steady and doing well...but with that said I will never understand how they have handled the entire defensive backfield this off season. I do not know how they are going to make this work with having a stud line after all of these years with no pass rush. If September 1st rolls around and you look at the 4 guys back there and say..ok...if Millner continues to grow this could be at least solid...i will very impressed how they got there. I just cant figure out anyway they could get there now.
Bottom line Idzik at this point did blow it on signing a good CB. Now when June 1st cuts come and if good one becomes available and Idzik signs him then we all will become happy.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about. The reason the Jets can rely on a youthful CB is because of their dominant defensive front. His struggles would be masked by the excellent play of the rest of the defense. I doubt a first or second round CB would be significantly worse than Cro or Milliner were last year, and the front 7 is going to be better this year. The offense will be better as well. No one in the front office is crying we didn't sign a CB in FA, because we didn't need to. Anyone who believes John Idzik "screwed up" or "blew it" is a fool. He is simply making a choice as to when and how to allocate his resources, and just because people on this board are getting their panties in a bunch because they think they know better than a man who is paid millions of dollars to make these decisions doesn't make it so.
