Coples stinks as LB

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  1. heartpumpsgreen

    heartpumpsgreen Active Member

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    You might be right I won't pretend I study film ... I don't. He might be holding the fort as far as his assignments but it's frustrating me that we haveNt had a bona fide edge rusher since John Abraham.

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  2. Red Menace

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    Unless he drops 25 lbs, there is no way he can be an effective weak side OLB, even then he is not an explosive player, strong yes, but that's all he has going for him.

    Maybe that is his niche at this point, a tweener that can provide a break to the other DL as part of a rotation. If he can help this defense be stout against the run so be it.

    I believe Mauldin will be the guy we have been looking for as fans, as long as he can stay healthy.

    He has a motor, I saw him on special teams stop what almost was certainly a return for TD catching the runner from behind.

    He also kept pursing Tannehill on their final possession of the game, when everyone else was already spent.

    With some experience and a little more physical maturity Mauldin will be an excellent OLB.
     
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  3. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Read closely. I said a 3-4 weakside end not a weakside outside linebacker.
     
  4. Red Menace

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    My apologies.
     
  5. joe

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    Remember the play where Miami forgot to put a man on Mo Wilk and he walked in and sacked Tannyhill?

    Check out the "motor" on Coples (bottom of screen). Yes, eventually a 2nd Miami blocker comes over to help but still, prior to that his half-assed, half-speed lack of burst off the snap and his upfield persuit is piss poor and pure lazy.

    Coples is a slouch:

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-york-...n-Tannehill-sacked-by-Jets-Muhammad-Wilkerson

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  6. NYJETS4life24

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    Coples played 15 snaps against the Dolphins. I think we should trade him for Bennett
     
  7. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    isn't that considered "setting the edge?" He's right there to make the play if the back takes the handoff.
     
  8. matt robinson 17

    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    Great defensive line, very good secondary, terrible linebackers, what a shame, with this scheme this could be a Super Bowl caliber defense...
     
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  9. JetsNation06

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    We need Seahawks type linebackers (at least 1) and this D is set for many years to come. Coples is a journeyman DL whose a decent run stuffer, those are not hard to come by in this league.
     
  10. FJF

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    little busy hating, no time to look at clips objectively
     
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  11. Red Menace

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    I still think he can be used as a pass rusher, but he has to drop some weight.

    He was getting more pressure on the QB when he came in as a rookie, because he was lighter, it wasn't until he bulked up a bit to play the run better that he suffered with his ability to put pressure on the QB.

    It goes without saying that unless you have an elite OLB which are hard to come by, you will end up with guys that are one dimensional.

    However, I would like to see what this 4 man pass rush is going to be like when the offense is facing:

    Richarson, Coples, Williams, Wilkerson.
     
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    The sad part is that Sheldon, Mo Wilk and Leonard Williams are the best pass rushers on this team and they're all DL. That's a testament to how versatile and talented all 3 of them are. We've needed a true pass rusher since Abraham left town. Coples could drop 40 lbs and he's still not a natural edge rusher.
     
  13. Footballgod214

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    Rex never drafted Couples to play OLB. Our D-line was to be Couples and Wilkerson. Rex was big on Couples ability to crash the pocket from the interior into the QB's face. It wasn't until some loser named Sheldon Richardson came along that Couples was the odd man out and moved to OLB, just to keep him on the field. And now we add ANOTHER lineman in Williams. There's just no way Couples ever sees the D-line again in a Jets uni.

    It's Bowles job to design Coples OLB position to highlite his abilities ahead of his upcoming trade. That's it.

    And we're not changing to a 4-3 defense. Just stop. The position a player was drafted in does NOT define what type of player he is (see Couples). A 3-4 D-lineman is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from a 4-3 lineman. As are the LBers that support either defense.
     
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    But none of them are asked to play outside of their role, which is dlineman and just get to the QB after the initial engagement of the 2 OL.

    I agree with you that he is not a natural edge rusher, I'm thinking that if the Jets use a 4 man pass rush, instead of a 3-4 set up with the OLB blitzing, the Oline will have a hard time blocking these 4 guys straight up vs the opposite happening when you ask the 3/4 linemen to engage 2 lineman so the LB is free to pressure the QB.

    That's where I'm my opinion Coples will be better served, he does not have to play the role of OLB, just straight up edge rusher.

    Some one else pointed this out in a few post back and I would have to agree with them.

    Of course that opens up another can of worms, do the jets have 3 LB that can sit back and play the traditional 4-3 responsibilities?
     
  15. Red Menace

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    He does not have to be married to the 3-4 though, the secondary in this jets team allows for some flexibility with the front 7, he does not have to change to a 4-3 but he can still use some of the elements without diverging too much from the 3-4 scheme.

    In the long run, I still don't see the jets keeping Coples on this team.
     
  16. tomdeb

    tomdeb Well-Known Member

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    Don't understand your position. What's your point? In your opinion, should Coples be playing LB or DL or be benched, traded, or released? My point of starting this thread is that Coples is NOT a LB, and Rex's ridiculous experiment should be terminated. Rotate Coples on the DL or move him for OL/TE depth or a pick.
     
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    6'-6" 285lbs, love to see them put Couples at blocking TE. Imagine if he actually had decent hands.
     
  18. joe

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    I would agree except for a couple of things. One was that the OL did not drive block ("hat on hat") or even trap block. The blocking scheme was "slide protection left" with each OL protecting a gap, i.e. it was not a run play. Secondly, Tannyhill's play action "sell" was token at best.

    Note that the RB (off a really weak play fake) came over to help out on Coples and at one time the Dolphins had 6 blockers to the left of center on only 3 Jets with their RG inexplicably ignoring Wilkerson altogether. As for Coples, in slide protection normally the OL doesn't want to chase Coples vertically (upfield) least that gap is filled by a blitzer. Instead the RB usually assumes the 'upfield' blocking duties. Given that type of blocking scheme, I honesty thought Coples could've shown a better burst prior to the RB coming over to help block. Guy is an absolute specimen and I think part of the frustration lies with him playing LB….along with an erratic motor.
     

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