hahaha gotta admit though regardless of the stats I have been disappointed with Couples so far but there is a lot of football left
HOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW? He is in the backfield maybe 40% of the game. The Jets run the type of defense where they rush is supposed to come from the outside linebackers and he is constantly being double teamed (him and Wilkerson both) because the other pressure is non-existant.
I'm surprised he's rated higher than Wilkerson. I could have sworn Wilks was having a great season. Give this D line another year and they'll be in pure beast mode. We just need good OLBs to compliment them. It's good to see our defense progress despite the fact our offense isn't doing squat.
Quintin Coples is #10, while Vince Wilfolk is #69 and last according to PFF. Really isn't that all you really know about the viability of that web site. Would Jet fans REALLY want to have Quintin Coples instead of Vince Wilfolk???? PFF is right up there will Rex Ryan in player evaluation. He also thinks that this Jet team is the best he's ever had. Here's the reality. The Jet coaching staff was unwilling to put Coples on the field for significant snaps when the Jets thought they had a chance for the playoffs. Now that they are playing out the string he might get more naps. Bottom line: While they play different positions, Jones has been a much more productive player for the Pats this season, playing in over 80% of the defensive snaps in 3 different positions (DE.OLB. DT) Any Jet fan who has eyes and would take Coples over Jones given what we know now is just being foolish. Granted it could all turn around next year, but do you REALLY think it will. The best Jet fans can hope for at this point is that Coples eventually turns out to be as good a Jones.
Wilfork is old and washed up are you kidding? Most teams in the NFL would be stupid to take Wilfork over Coples right now given the choice. Comparing Jones to Coples is also dumb because they play completely different positions. Jones would be rated with the OLBs/43 DEs.
As an interior pass rusher I absolutely would take Coples over Wilfork. Wilfork is a 2 gapping run stuffing nose tackle. He isn't known for being a great pass rusher. Coples is a 5 gap in the 34 & 3 gap in the 43. His job is to be an interior type pass rusher. Within that role he is far superior to Wilfork. Where was Chandler Jones even mentioned in the original thread? The very fact that you have to bring him into the discussion not only destroys your credibility but also suggests some insecurity over the 2 player long term projections
He's playing out of position, in UNC he played 4-3 DT, and DE as well. This is why were transitioning to a 4-3 defense more instead of 3-4. Doesn't matter what you said, but hey it's whatever man Coples is still an awesome player on the come-up!
I thought he had the most success his junior year when he played mostly on the inside as a tackle. Senior year they moved him to DE and he didn't produce as much. We use him as 3-4DE which is similar job to a 4-3 DT. It's about creating pressure up front for the linebackers to take advantage of. Either way I think he's going to be fine, but the comparison to Jones is not valid.
Why not? What are you comparing? If the question is with hindsight which player would you rather have that seems very fair. Whether they are the same type of player is irrelevant. That being said it is too early,Just look at DMC year one and after
I believe you guys when you say Coples is good, but I don't think PFF is the site you'd want to use to prove a point...
It is a good site for what it is. It is a useful tool in evaluating play, but it is just a piece of the puzzle For instance a player who is on the field for more snaps will almost always have a lower grade than a player who is on the field situationally. That does not mean the higher rated player is better, even though they were more productive when they were in.
PFF also had BJGE as one of the best backs in football a few years ago. I think QC is ok but would take Jones over him in a second. I wanted Jones bad. More versatile , as he's played the 3&5 tech. over the last few weeks. The guy is a beast out there. He gets held on almost every play out there. He's hardly the "one trick pony" some uneducated jet fans portray him as. He has a very nice bull rush and a few very good moves. He's also great at setting the edge and against the run. As for Wilfork I'd take him in the short term , next 2-4 years. The Pats are very good against the run and he's literally the biggest reason why. He's an established great player. Hardly wash up and old. The homerism around here is crazy. That's part of what's wrong with this team. Homers defend Taco , Holmes and Cro when its clear their hurting this team. And overpaid. It's amazing , as recently as a few weeks ago some of you still thought Taco was a good QB. Stupid shit like that allows Fat Rex and Woody to feed us shit year after year. Keep telling yourself Mark is a good QB when the entire world knew he sucked for years.
It's foolish to make a solid judgement about QC one way or another after 1/2 a season on his rookie year when the Jets have been playing from behind in most of their games from the beginning. He has certainly shown potential, and I am cautiously optimistic that he will be a strong starter for the Jets for many years to come. A lot of people have been crying about how bad the Jets have drafted the last few years, and while they certainly have their share of busts, their D-line looks very promising with three young guys they have recently drafted (coples/wilkerson/ellis) as well as devito and pouha.
Why continue to make it Coples vs. Jones? They are completely different players that do different things. If you think Jones is more versatile than Coples the conversation ends right there. Jones is a 9 gap & 2 gap. Can he occassionally give you a a burst as an inside at the 3t..yes. But he doesn't have the frame to do that consistently.At least not yet. Meanwhile Coples can 1 gap,2 gap, 3 gap & 5 gap. It was me who proclaimed Jones as a 1 trick pony & I stand by it. Good pass protectors can shut him down. Is he good off the edge? Yes he is. Is he pro bowl caliber? Absolutely. But he is what he is. He's a 9 gapper w/ the ability to get a burst off the edge & is able to bend around stiff OT's.He's not as versatile of a player as Coples is..which is why Rex preferred Quinton.Go ahead & call me uneducated..we'll see who's right acouple years from now.
I'm talking about the people comparing sacks and saying Jones is the better player. They play different positions, 3-4 DEs aren't usually sack machines or stat whores. They have a job to do and they do it, so comparing their production based on sacks or comparing them to 4-3 DEs isn't fair. It's easy to say, "oh yeah, i want the sack guy", but when a lineman creates pressure so a linebacker gets a sack, the stats don't show it. There's a reason Thomas is leading the Jets in sacks right now, and it's not because he's an amazing sack machine. Coples and Wilkerson have done a good job up front and they're only getting better.
