You're a fool if you think Beckham should be classified as a "combine riser". The combine has little to nothing to do with his rating. Everyone new the guy was fast and athletic just due to the tape. Im no scout and even I was on here back in December and February saying that Beckham is the #3 WR in the draft and that he should be in serious consideration at 18. If I see that before any combine number, Im sure scouts can. I dont know where you've been, but Beckham has been rated within the top 20 for about 3 months. But do what you and many others do and keep pointing at stats.
And Mike Evans had 4 catches for 51 yards vs LSU and 4 catches for 8 yards vs Missouri and 4 catches for 72 yards in the bowl game, your point? So much of stats are reliant on other people's play and the game plan. How do you bash Beckham for unfounded durability concerns and size, and then praise Cooks in that he hasnt missed a game? Beckham didnt miss a single game while playing in the SEC and has 2 inches on Cooks.
lol how do you know the Jets put a lower grade on him? In all honesty, how many of you have seen more than 3 of his games? Seems like every negative is in reference to the box score. For the record, here are stats of some of the best WR's in the NFL that have outperformed their college production: AJ Green: 963, 8 TDs Josh Gordon: 714, 7 TDs Dem Thomas: 1154, 8 TDs Antonio Brown: 1198, 9 TDs DeSean Jackson: 1060, 9 TDs Brandon Marshal: 1195, 11 TDs Torrey Smith: 1055, 12 TDs TY Hilton: 1038, 7 TDs Victor Cruz: 1064, 6 TDs Mike Wallace: 784, 7 TDs compared to Beckham's 1152 yards and 8TDs.
It's not his stats, he did fucking nothing against top competition, his own coaching staff didn't think enough of him to make him the main target. He can play but we are talking about a first round pick, he belongs in the 2nd round at least period, huge gamble taking him top 20, and check the round those receivers you mentioned were taken.
And you just keep pointing at his measureables. That's worked out so well for us in the past after all. Give me one good reason why Beckham was LSU's #2 WR over the last 3 years and I might see your point of view. He wasn't even Santonio Holmes, splitting production with Tedd Ginn Jr or Santana Moss splitting production with Reggie Wayne. He was #2. People play to their level of ability most of the time. When you see a guy with Beckham's tools playing the #2 role there's a reason for that. There's something missing with him. He'd have been the #1 by his junior year if that wasn't the case, not a complimentary receiver. Beckham was not the #1 pass catcher at LSU in 3 seasons. Why is that? If you want to argue teams were trying to shut him down I'm ok with that, but then you need to explain how things will be different in the NFL - when teams are trying to shut him down.
I have not mentioned a single combine number. Please go back and quote that post. And Im pretty sure I am one of the select few that have actually DESCRIBED his play. attacks ball in the air at an elite level/plays bigger than his size great body control durable (hasnt missed a game in college) pro scheme experience (specifically well rounded in the intermediate to long routes- something this team needs) reliable, strong hands creates sizable separation through breaks proficient route runner due to the above point versatile and provides STs ability very athletic/smooth player and elusive in open field Once again, I have not named a single measurable. These are all traits observed from WATCHING film on the guy. Not looking at a boxscore, nor by looking at his combine measurables. I have yet to hear a single, solid argument to why any of these traits wont be translatable to the NFL.
Yes, I was countering the overwhelmingly popular statistic argument with a statistic that shows its very possible for a college WR to outproduce their college production in the NFL.
And did you observe him using these qualities to be a dominant WR or did you observe him using these abilities to be a good one? There's a huge difference in terms of what you need to get out of your 1st round pick. If the Jets take Beckham I'll be disappointed in the pick, because I'll think they left something out on the table when they made it. A better player was available on that pick. I'll root for him and I very much doubt that he'll bust but if he's a #2 WR it's really going to hurt us somewhere down the road. Maybe even at the point that he asks us for a big contract and we have to let him go because he's a #2 WR.
Looked more like you were comparing an overall season stat with players that compare favorably to your argument.
What's funnier? This place, or your constant returns to it when you have a football utopia to post on?
A little off topic but a guy we brought in for a visit named "Walter Powell" has a coaches film package on him available on YouTube, he is very elusive you guys should take a look, the system was terrible but he has great tape in the return game.
You ever realize that when you have an "argument" with someone, sometimes you become so entrenched in your views, even more so than before? I really like Beckham and I think he's a great prospect, deserving of a top 15 pick. I also really like Cooks as well along with other prospects, that just hasnt truly come up. I have him (Cooks) slightly lower than Beckham. Of course Beckham isnt perfect. If he was 6'2, I think he'd be battling Watkins for the top WR spot. If he caught 300 more yards, 90% of the people here that dislike him wouldnt have much of an argument. Im not sure if Beckham will ever be a top 5 WR in this league or a true #1 (although that term is severely over used). There are only about 5-8 true #1's in my eyes, so if he never lives up to that, I dont think its such a bad thing. I think Beckham can be a player like Antonio Brown, Victor Cruz or if the stars align a Steve Smith (although comparing a college player to a future HOF'er is never a smart thing), and I would spend the 18th overall pick on a player of that caliber, especially on an offense trying to develop a young QB and that has been starved of talent for years. Also, I dont think its a coincidence that of 17 personnel men in the NFL, many viewed him as a top 3 WR and very close to Mike Evans. They dont look at numbers, they watch prospects. I know Im no scout, and this is merely a hobby of mine, but at least I put my time into this and try not to spew shit from my mouth.
You hand picked a few wide receivers that fit your argument. For every one of those, there are ten that don't fit. Just because it's possible doesn't mean we need to try it. We're putting ourself at worse odds doing so. In addition, Gordon is a terrible example. He only has one year of stats and then got suspended. Thomas was extremely raw which is why he fell to the end of the first and then had the best QB of all time throwing to him. The rest of the guys were the #1 options on their offense (of at least their WR corps anyway) by their draft year. Why wasn't ODB?
Please. Ive been one of the most consistent posters on this draft board for the last 3 -4 years. But sure, you can hold whatever fucking immature grudge you have against me for talking football (oh wait, circle jerking) on another site. You're like a child and I backstabbed you.
Lol. You showed up to contribute your condescending stuff very conveniently in 2011. Curious register date. But yeah, I'm the child. Nice avatar.
