If we traded back from our 18th overall pick, we wouldn't get an extra 2nd round pick? Also, I think Matthews could fall to us in the 2nd round.
I doubt it, prob a 3 and a 5th or something like that. Depends on the team. I'm not very big on trades in the draft.
BC, Utah State, Arizona State, Notre Dame, Oregon State, Stanford, UCLA. My bad, I didn't count Fresno State but their defense was the farthest thing from a powerhouse to say the least.
If that happened I would soil myself Haha. Actually, I have a similar scenario in my mock where I just take Shazier on the 18 and trade up in the second with a 4th. I think it's too risky to chance Shazier getting taken by Arizona at 20.
That was just one year though. We're talking about Odell Beckham's career at LSU not Marqise Lee's down year off of USC's implosion and his injuries. Beckham just hasn't showed up in a way that suggests he's going to be more than a complimentary receiver at the NFL level. It's not even clear he's going to be a good complimentary receiver. If he has a mediocre year next year it will be par for the course. If Cooks or Lee has a mediocre year it's going to be devastating to them based on their own expectations. For Beckham it will just be same old same old and I'll get better next year. I'm sure that's how he viewed each year at LSU.
The issues with Beckham against good teams and his lack of production are reasons why I wouldn't trade up for him (unless it was at an abnormally low cost). However, I prefer him over every receiver in the draft other than Watkins or Evans. I would rank the top receivers something like... 1. Watkins 2. Evans 3. Beckham 4. Cooks 5. Lee 6. Latimer 7. Paul Richardson 8. Matthews 9. Bryant 10. Landry 11. Robinson 12. Adams 13. Ellington 14. Abbrederis 15. Norwood 16. Moncrief 17. Benjamin 18. Gallon
Shazier is definitely going in the first round and I'm looking at the Green Bay Packers at 21, Cardinals could take him at 20 also. Any idea how far you can trade up in the 2nd with just a 4th rounder? Be nice to trade up to the top of the 2nd and grab Matthews.
I'm perfectly ok with this opinion.If you are concerned about his ability to perform against elite defenders..that's a valid aspect. I still think there is plenty to like about the guy & disagree w/ you about projecting as a play maker..but this is what makes draft time fun. It's the over emphasis on production & depth chart labels that gets people riled up.
Here are the top 5 receivers in the NFL last season, cherrypicking the best numbers they ever had in a college season. 1. Josh Gordon (42-714-7) 2. Antonio Brown (110-1198-9) 3. Calvin Johnson (76-1202-15) 4. Demaryius Thomas (46-1154-8) 5. A.J. Green (57-963-9) Josh Gordon, A.J. Green and Demaryius Thomas' college numbers did not dictate their ceilings... Beckham was 59-1152-8.
Idk man. I used the value chart for my mock but I watered it down a little to account for this draft being so deep. So I had us jumping to the mid 30's by trading our 2nd, a 4th, and a 6th. Obviously I'm just a fan and that's just a guess.
I like Beckham, but this Top 10 talk is crazy, he's not worth moving up for and giving up picks, when you can probably get Cooks or Lee without moving up.
ok but those guys are all 6'3 or taller and about 20 pounds heavier. they're different types of receivers.
A.J Green was Georgia's #1 WR. He didn't split the job with anybody. His freshman season had had 2 less catches than senior Massaqoui and the same # of TD's. His sophomore year he was #1 with double the catches of anybody else on the team and leading in TD's. His junior year he was #1 by 25 catches and led in TD's. He did this with 3 different QB's throwing to him. Matthew Stafford, Joe Cox and Aaron Murray. Demaryius Thomas played in an option offense that didn't throw the ball much at all. He had 46 catches his junior year. The next highest number for a WR was 6 by Stephen Hill. Seriously. The next highest number overall was 8 by a RB. His sophomore year he had 39 catches. the next highest number by a WR was 5. 2 RB's caught 8 each. 2007 as a freshman he caught 35 and led the Yellowjackets with 4 TD's caught. The leader in catches that year had 37. Josh Gordon is just a bad comparison. He's 6'4" 220 with real speed. He had a troubled school history that kept him off the field a lot.
Something to consider: Beckham plays in a pro style offense at LSU. The transition to NFL great benefits him over Cooks.
My general point is that you seem to think that since Beckham didn't have great college numbers that he can't have great pro numbers. I'm not saying any of these comparisons are physically similar to each other, but just because Beckham didn't find the end zone a ton in college doesn't mean he won't in the pros.
I don't think that's the basis of his overall point. I think the bigger point is that, in his view, ODB has never shown the ability to shoulder the load as the primary option and true focal point of a passing offense. Every other guy on that list did, despite their numbers being lower. When adjusting numbers for their team's scheme, ODB's production leaves a lot to be desired, and leaves him open to legitimate questioning from some.
This is exactly the point. It's all relative and you don't take a #2 WR who has had ample opportunity to become a #1 in the 1st round of the NFL draft. I don't think Beckham is a bad prospect at all but there are several guys who not only have the potential to be game-breakers at the NFL level but have also shown enough thus far that it seems likely they will be game-breakers if they hit their high note. With Beckham we don't even know if he has a high note at this point. He may just be the guy we've seen so far.
Cooks is top end faster, better hands, better route runner, equal agility, and better production than Beckham. Basing it off production?.....why wouldn't we do that? The NFL is night and day tougher than college, if he couldn't do it in college, the chances are slim he'll do it in the NFL. It can happen, but those are the outliers.
