It's really not. I keep seeing on this forum that football IQ is not a problem for Hackenberg. The mental aspect of his game is. a problem. He doesn't process defensive schemes quickly. He's a slow decision maker and struggles to identify the holes in simple coverages. Even if you think he is there mentally, his play under pressure is sup bar. And if you can't play under pressure in the NFL, you won't be a good QB.
He's going to get fired if that happens. That would be 3 consecutive seasons with no postseason appearances. Unless you're Jeff Fisher, you usually get fired under those circumstance. I realize that Rex survived that, but he had multiple playoff wins on his resume.
I think you meant to quote yourself. You're the same buffoon who told me I couldn't question the Hackenberg pick, because I didn't know as much as the GM. Turns out that the coaching staff doens't even think he can be a back up. Either respond to my post with an actual argument or get out of here with your drivel.
You do realize that he played 3 years at Penn State and nearly all of his games were nationally televised, right? How are you this obtuse?
I never said he was there mentally, but I think he's light years ahead of Petty in that regard. Preseason game against the Giants, the kid scanned the field and found the right receiver. He did it pretty quick then, I want to see if this kid can develop and IMO we will never know if we make the kid learn another system in his 2nd year. If the team is showing promise and you fire him, I am turning in my fanship, especially if the arrow is pointing up for the QB. Gus Bradley still chillin over in Jacksonville. Mike McCoy? If there is plenty of positivity and we build on a lot, you can't fire that coach. All of the progress goes out the window.
He might be better than Petty. Petty's not a future starting NFL QB regardless of what his fans think here . Petty's been here for two seasons and apparently hasn't mastered the playbook still. He's a career #2 . Mike McCoy won a playoff game and Gus Bradley is in a small market.Honestly, as long as we have Wood was the owner we aren't going anywhere. I'd be shocked if Bowles made it past year 3, assuming he isn't fired this year. That would be 7 years without a PO appearance. Woody's not going to wait on Hackenberg or for Bowles to be competent
Gotta develop who we have on the roster. Shit, completely forgot McCoy and the Chargers actually made the playoffs. Gus Bradley and the small market has no barring here, Jags fans are a passionate group as well. I think they need to keep them one more season at least to see if they can bounce back. We shall see. I won't bash you obviously on your opinion here, you got yours and I got mine. Hopefully whatever direction we take is a positive one, but I don't think a premature firing is a good idea.
Bowles hasn't been good, but we haven't had a good team. He still has the respect of the players, and is a respected coach among his peers. How the secondary has been the weakest link on the D has me scratching my head. I don't believe in constant turnover, so I'm undecided on whether he stays or gets the boot. Mac has been good. Drafted BPA that turned into Williams. Didn't budge on giving Fitz a 3 year deal, and now we won't have a shit contract for next year. You don't always hit on your picks, and the Hackenberg pick was a reach, but the jury is still out on the kid. He made us competitive while we rebuild, let's not forget that last year was exciting, even though it was an easy schedule. He has dished out contracts to not handicap our future. Offseason: Cut Revis, Clady, Mangold, Giacomini, Gilchrist and trade Richardson. We are now $44.6M under the cap, for a bunch of players who either sucked and/or were injured most of this year. Play Petty the rest of this year, draft well, don't go for the big splash in FA, and continue the rebuild process the right way.
I don't care about coaches except that they should understand the league and the sport. Say again, the NFL by rule is an offensive league. I wish it was more balanced but it's not at present. To win a team must have consistent offense and enough defense to slow their opponent down. Sounds easy but the hiring of defensive minded coaches doesn't not work. A head coach must be able to communicate with the QB. If he turns the offense over to a coordinator and doesn't get involved and whisper in the QB's ear he will never win much. Even B.B. had to learn it with a failed stint in Cleveland.
There are 2 types of playing a QB before he's ready: - Mental part of the game isn't there yet (Carr, Mariota to a lesser extent). This is the kind of QB where you can let him "take his lumps" and mature on the field while he's continuously learning new coverages and blitzes through reps. Petty falls in this category which is why it's fine to let him play. - Mechanics need to be completely overhauled (Bortles, Tebow, Aaron Rodgers to a lesser extent). If you don't fix this kind of QB before letting them play, you'll irreparably damage them. Each live rep they take further cements terrible muscle memory. I'm not saying that Bortles and Tebow would have been Rodgers if their teams gave them time to develop, but they might not have been so terrible. Both of their mechanics regressed throughout their careers. Hackenberg falls in this category, which is why he hasn't even been printed a jersey on game day yet, and probably why they were reluctant to even play him in the preseason. It's a smart move to ignore the temptation of putting in your new toy during a bad season, one that's going to help him immensely long term.
With the exception of Rodgers, can we name any QBS that sat for an extended period of time to overhaul their mechanics that actually panned out? I'd say there's a huge difference between Rodgers/Hackenberg's situation.One guy was sitting behind 3 subpar Quarterbacks... the other was behind a Hall of famer.
I agree that there are very few instances of quarterbacks successfully overhauling their mechanics, and that's really concerning. I'm not sure the QBs in front of them really matter though. Favre's mechanics were pretty unorthodox and he admittedly didn't do much to help out the guy who was there to take his job. It more so helped that there was no pressure to put him in because the guy in front of him was good than it did that he had some awesome mentor.
LOL! I like the description of Bowles as hapless and lifeless. Nothing personal against him, but he HAS lost the team. As someone else posted weeks ago, Parcells would have pulled Fitzpatrick after his third pick in Kansas City, not waiting for 3 more picks in the same game and THEN 9 more games of futility.
Excuse me this is the same kid that couldn't hit the board side of a barn? What game were you watching?
Everything I've seen from Bowles indicates that he needs to go, but as some has said, a whole new system will set the young quarterbacks back yet again. The next four games and the effort level of his players are going to be extremely telling for Bowles' future. If we get blown out and the effort level is shit, then he without a doubt has to go. If they still play hard and play better, then we need to think about keeping him. The troubling part is obviously the shitty defense (HIS side of the ball), but more importantly the missed assignments and blown coverages. You can see this happening early on in the year as players are still learning to work better together, despite the fact that the starters have all relatively been the same. Blown coverages in the fashion we saw them against Indianapolis is inexcusable though, and troubling for the keep Bowles camp. We definitely need to fire the defensive line coach. 12 sacks in 11 games against the following teams with their adjacent ranking for most sacks allowed. Disgusting. We played the worst four teams in the league in terms of sacks allowed! Most sacks allowed (our sacks vs. that team): 1. Cleveland (1 sack) 2. Indianapolis (1 sack) 3. Buffalo (0 sacks) Arizona (0 sacks) 8. Los Angeles (3 sacks) 9. Kansas City (2 sacks) Seattle (2 sacks) 13. Miami (1 sack)
