Didn't he drop 8% of his passes, or was that London? I may be getting them confused. At any rate, Burks hands are better.
it's what people here touting him were saying. really it's like 2 people here including you, most others myself included just don't see it and the 2 of you really aren't elaborating on what you see that makes you think different. it's also not nearly impossible at all, metcalf did it, calvin johnson did it. christian watson did it this year and yeah he's 208 but if he added 10-20lbs he wouldn't lose .2 seconds. he ran sub 4.3, his hands also aren't huge and wasn't close to the largest of the WRs. sky moore had bigger hands and he's 5-10 195lbs. watson has bigger hands too and wilson has the same size hands
Lol, have you even watched him play. I guess not. The Bisons are a run heavy team, and he was flat out dominant when given the opportunity. He demonstrated this against better competition at the senior bowl. Don't sell the kid short. Just because a player blows up the combine doesn't mean they can't play.
I admit I haven’t seen much on him but he definitely looks like a player. I really liked his SR bowl week and what he showed me today. His stock has definitely moved up. I’m going to try and find more tape on him before I truly give my opinion on him. So far so good though
Yes, I've seen some game film of him. Haven't scouted him exclusively. He looked pretty good at the Sr. Bowl, but let's see him do it at the NFL level, then I'll say he's more than a Combine Warrior. I hope he proves me wrong, especially if the Jets are interested, but I'm not gonna hold my breath on that.
I read that either London or Wilson had an 8% drop rate this past season. Now that I think about it more, I'm almost certain it was London, so his hands obviously aren't that great or he has focus issues.
well i personally havent seen it so if you didn't mind saying it again i'll go back and watch it again ti see if i missed anything but so far what i seen is this positives size reliable hands catch in traffic contested catches run after catch with power negatives play speed is slow lacks separation poor route running offense had to design ways to get him the ball easy lots of his advantages wont exist against NFL competiton. His film reminds me a lot of k'neal harry in college and that's scary as hell to me. if JD thinks he's the guy i'll trust him but I just don't see it.
Official times are in. Wilson actually ran a hundreth of a second faster (4.38) than Olave in the end.
I see we're at the denial stage of the Burks claims. "He's faster than Wilson. He has the biggest hands and he's a great leaper." Despite all of those things now being objectively, quantifiably false. Burks' main selling point was that he was allegedly an elite athlete. He's not. That should be cause for concern along with the fact that I don't think he's any analyst's #1 WR. It seems every analyst has either Wilson or London as the #1 WR this year. Are they all wrong? It would be pretty surprising. Individual analysts whiff all the time but it's pretty uncommon for them to all be wrong about the same thing simultaneously. Burks' official 40 time is now 4.55. 4.6+ is usually the real danger zone for WR's. He also did the 3 cone in 7.28 seconds. DK Metcalf's 3 cone was 7.38 and he was almost considered undraftable because of it (though he ended up being saved by insane straight line speed and explosiveness which Burks doesn't have.) Burks also only jumped 33" in the vertical, another mediocre or downright bad number. The combine isn't the end all be all but it helps me confirm what I see on tape. Wilson looked to be a great leaper which made up for his less than ideal height. He was also noticeably quick. Those thoughts are now confirmed. It's a shame London wasn't able to participate.
I've explained why... I just don't see It because of a lot of the stuff I've already stated. I definitely don't think he has the best hands In the draft. I don't know, he might be a good scheme fit, I'm not sure about that either though. I guess If you are viewing him from a Deebo perspective, that's not guaranteed though. I'm not sure Burks Is faster TBH. I thought this was a possibility, I don't now after he ran the 40. A lot of receivers In this draft has potential to complement Moore well though, that doesn't matter much to me because of that. I still have Burks rated as a 2nd rounder at best, the flaws are there.
Treylon Burks had below average QB play let’s start there. He was doubled and needed to be schemed open. His football speed was on display against top end competition as he ran away from Alabamas entire secondary. Versus Alabama (the #1 ranked team in the country) he went for 2 TDs and 179 yards. He ran every route and lined up everywhere on offence, had contested catches vs SEC DBs, at 6’2” 225 he was hard to tackle and had an excellent stiff arm to avoid 1-1 tackles, was a 4 star recruit out of high school so his athleticism has been there for a long time and turned down Michigan to stay home. He is clean as they come off the field and with injuries. I’ll let my eye for talent speak for itself. I had DK as my best WR and Josh Allen as the best QB when they came out.
KJ Jefferson in not a below average QB!! Sure he had a bad game against Georgia but so did most QBs. If memory serves me correctly, Jefferson was the MVP of his bowl game. With that said, Burks is a heck of a WR prospect. I think hes gonna make some team very happy.
Every year we say running + jumping in shorts doesn't matter and here we are going crazy over 40x, vertical numbers, and 3 cone drills. Hilarious. I still rank Burks as my WR1 of the 3. I just see so much AJ + Andre Johnson in his game, but if we end up with any of them at 10 I'm happy. Just please address the position JD!
The problem is part of the allure to Burks outside of his film was how much of a physical freak he is. The combine showed that he really isn’t, he’s still in above average athlete but there were some great exaggerations. He didn’t blaze the 40, his vertical was unimpressive, his hands were not mammoth as promised and his cone time was average at best. i’d still be fine taking him at 10 as the first receiver off the board or the third receiver off the board
Yeah totally fair. I thought he would be better but 225 running a 4.5 is still incredible and an absolute truck. I feel like we (Burks fans v Wilson/London fans) are arguing over the smallest things when in the grand scheme of things is 1 tenth or .5 hundredths of a second going to really change anything?
Nah. That’s it. It’s not that Burks didn’t perform as well, he certainly is a capable WR. But not at 10. I’d take Burks from 18 and back.
Felipe Franks was sub par. KJ rarely ran the offence to script he had a lot of backyard football going on.
Thoughts: 1. Garrett Wilson is WR1. Really nothing else to it. He is also a much better contested and vertical catcher than Olave. 2. Olave, nice combine. Should cement himself as top 20. 3. Burks. Not explosive enough for me. DK was a phsyical freak and straight line speed was unreal. I don't think Burks is like that. Maybe more like AJ Brown. So, he is still a first round pick...but no way at 10. Trade down and see if he's there at 20 or so? 4. Jahan Dotson is quietly performing well. Similar to how we had Elijah Moore fall to us last year. I would be ok with him in round 2 somehow. Love him. 5. David Bell. Rooting for him based on how good his film was but he will have a tough time in the NFL I think...well, at least not as a WR1. Could be a late round 2 selection if we want to trade back or up. 6. Christian Watson. Performed well...hopefully coaches know him enough from Sr Bowl to make a good judgement.
