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Discussion in 'Draft' started by REVISion, Mar 1, 2022.

  1. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    lots of players kill it in college and not the NFL. burks is winning on pure size and YAC, maybe he pulls it off in the NFL maybe not. everyone is bigger and faster in the NFL. in college even the best teams are fielding 90% of players who won't make it to the NFL. the competition is steep. I look for skills that translate over to the NFL. burks is big but we've seen bigger guys fail. he's fast for his size, but not NFL fast. he has bare minimum NFL WR speed for this day and age. he doesn't get separation in college. it's not going to magically happen in the NFL. a stiff arm is about 99th out of the 100 most important things you need form a WR. Honestly It seems you are just in love with his size which we see fail all the time. how many big/fast (bigger and faster WRs) then burks do we see just flop in the NFL. harry was slightly bigger and slightly faster and had better college film then burks and is still a bust. I've watched a lot of burks film lately and i'm just not impressed. I really hope he's not the pick
     
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  2. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    Give the quality of talent that will be available in round two this year do we use our next years picks to get players this year (obviously not the first rounder)?
     
  3. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    realistically we could trade back in the 1st for an extra 2nd and even trade up from our 3rd to the back of the 2nd round cheap and get 4 2nds to go with the 2 1sts and still probably have our 5th and maybe a 4th left
     
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  4. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    I want JD to put on his big boy pants and have a Jimmy Johnson draft where we take advantage of teams reaching for need (or for players they fall in love with) as we steal value.
     
  5. Rockinz

    Rockinz Well-Known Member

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    90%??? More like 95%

    You will see. He will be the best WR in this class and possibly the best prospect in this class. He has football speed not track speed. Putting on the pads and carrying the weight of that is undervalued. Players should run the 40 with all the pads and helmet on for a more accurate reading. I’ll Take a kid who dominated the SEC for 3 years, was a 4 star recruit and is clean off the field and with injuries any day.
     
  6. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    90% means an average of 2 players per team will make the nfl which literally means just being there. doens't mean it's an impact. but yeah the whole point was nobody in college faces NFL level competition which it seems you agree with.
    I do agree with running in pads but then it skews past results so the NFL will never do that. game film to me is more important. guys like bolden and fitzgerald were slow and still turned out to be great WRs

    I really don't care about his 40 time, I just don't think what he was able to do in college translates over well to the NFL. plenty of people dominate college and can't make the NFL. it's a different world. college dominance rarely translates to NFL success
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_receiving_yards_leaders
     
  7. Rockinz

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    I do agree not all college studs translate to stud NFL players but the odds are better than guys who need a system to unleash their potential or were buried on a depth chart and didn’t get a valid opportunity till the pros. Half of first rounders bust or become average players.
     
  8. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    the odds are so poor for college studs it's irrelevant. the odds of winning the big lottery is worse then the small lottery but both odds are so awful it doesn't really matter
     
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  9. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    I think that’s a total pipe dream personally
     
  10. Ralebird

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    Well that's what I was saying - if every team already has their minds made up, they can find a better way to do interviews, maybe even one that will give the teams and players more than fifteen minutes together. My only reservation about dumping the on field stuff is those small school guys we love to find might never get found.

    You may be correct about the media, but the combine stuff could have made a nice two hour show; three or four days of ten hours a day is a bit much. And then they do it all over next month at the draft. Sooner or later the law of diminishing returns must come into play.
     
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  11. KingRoach

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    I’d rather have Gardner and Ojobo than Thibs and Booth
     
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  12. WoodyHarrelson

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    Insane. No.
     
  13. KingRoach

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    Thank you for the well thought out but slightly verbose reply. It’s conversational like this that really help me see other points of views. You are a scholar and a gentleman. /s
     
  14. MaximusD163

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    I’d rather have Thibodeaux and London, and draft a CB at 35/38 or trade for Bradberry. Not that I don’t like Gardner
     
  15. KingRoach

    KingRoach Well-Known Member

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    What CB do you like in the early 2nd?
     
  16. James Hasty

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    Coughing up our fourth rounder might make it work if the Giants want to be frugal.
     
  17. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    There will be at least a couple of these guys, obviously not all but someone will be there:

    -Andrew Booth Jr.
    -Kyler Gordon
    -Kaiir Elam
    -Tariq Woolen
    -Roger McCreary

    I’m also ok with not going CB if you have to force the pick
     
  18. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    It just doesn’t make sense to me if I’m the Giants
     
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  19. NCJetsfan

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    ^ This (the bold). I still think we'd be better off signing a veteran CB in FA and using the draft pick elsewhere, but with the way the first round is starting to look, I think Gardner will probably have to be the pick at #4. I don't want Hamilton or Neal. I have questions about KT. (all the rumors have created some doubt in my mind). It's probably too early for Jermaine Johnson. I would give some thought to taking Johnson at #4 if I was able to trade down from #10 to around #15. If I was, I'd take Johnson at #15 and Christian Watson at #15. I don't think he makes it to #35.

    If I was able to get Metcalf from the Seahawks for #10, then I'd definitely take either Sauce or Johnson at #4.[/QUOTE]
     
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  20. Red Menace

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    Under different circumstances I would love these picks, let’s say if jets were picking 12 and 17.

    With regards to Booth isn’t he a 2nd round projection?
     

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