The numbers are there, but why isn't the hype? Why wasn't he talked about as one of the top two Edges or the top Edge?
Good question, I'm not sure tbh. His production wasn't great in college. I've heard on a few podcasts that NFL teams are really high on him though. Paging @Sundayjack and @Jonathan_Vilma for their thoughts.
His fellow DL teammate Jordan Davis ran an official 4.78 40 at 341 lbs. I wouldn't be mad with either of them.
The fact that he was on such a great defense works mostly against him. Think of Terrell Lewis on the Rams. He’s similarly an athletic freak who appears to be a rotational defensive end in the big leagues. He was on good to great defenses as well with virtually the same production output. That’s not to say Walker or even Lewis at this point can’t be a standout but it’s tough to grade these Alabama and Georgia defenders at this point if they’re not absurdly good like Nakobe Dean or Will Anderson.
He's a freak too but I'm out on Davis. He has no gas tank. Becomes pretty useless after about 2.5 quarters. IDL is also prob the least important position on defense.
Do you have a preference for an EDGE at #4 assuming Hutch is gone? Seems like KT is probably the best option there overall but I don't watch too much college FB.
I would go Thibs and I think the anti-Thibs stuff is stupid. He should be a really good player. He didn’t blow everyone’s balls off in the two games against Utah because they threw a tightend and tackle at him along with X blocks and runningback chips but that’s a weak indictment on his overall body of work. Unfortunately those are the games that most people saw since no one watches the PAC-12 anymore.
Well it definitely hasn't helped that he barely plays on the edge. His best snaps (BY FAR) came on the inside. Not a fan of drafting another tweener, those guys never work out for us. Honestly, I hate when positional flexibility is used as a positive in evaluation. It usually means the guy doesn't do either well enough to pen them in at a single spot.
Is it just me, but why is Davis and Wyatt projected so low? They are athletic freaks! Are they not better prospects than Quinnen William’s? We took him 3. Davis looks like a generational talent. The draft is so hard to understand. Why do certain players get hype, where some are total busts? How do they get to be top 10, when they aren’t? I hated using # 3 pick on Quinnen. But Davis might be worth it. But would be livid if we did. Thibs was consensus #1 for long time, now is is dropping over something said, not performance. This Walker guy rising, on workout in shorts. It makes me nervous, we might take the wrong guys come the draft. It’s not like ghoston was surprise at 6, every team probably takes him there, since rated there. Same with William’s, he was projected in top 5. The QB raiders took was consensus # 1, he turned out not as advertised. Not one person had him not the #1 prior to draft. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
The human element is always involved when making these type of decisions, no GM wants to miss out on the next Warren Sapp or Aaron Donald, it’s how Jets ended taking Quinnen and Leonard Williams so high and passed on other players that turned out to be great. Jets drafted Mims, yet no one else picked him up and Jets thought they got their WR. What it reveals for me is this, the scouting department for most teams historically have been better than the jets scouts, hence why other teams never seem like they are reaching, the homework on these players is already done by NFL teams, the only boards they are moving up and down on are the sport media outlets. Macagnan was a bad GM. JD had a much better draft last year than his first year, he didn’t leave good players on the board for other teams to take by trading down. Jets draft board is complete, I wouldn’t worry about the movement of these players, interviews will allow for some adjustments to be made for NFL teams but there is no resetting of the boards because of the combines.
Good points. Not so down on Mims trade down, cause I think we were targeting jefferesin, but rams took him. Mims grades were impressive, he lasted to late second for reason. Vikings took right guy, Rams took right guy, etc. we took the wrong one trying to get cute with the trade down. Everyone loved it, I hated it! Take best player there! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Yes. That would be overkill. We already have Lawson, Huff, and JFM that can contribute at Edge at a good level. IMO taking Walker would be a dumb move.
Taking Davis at #10 would be totally dumb imo. You don't take a part-time player in the first round, much less the top ten.
I have been saying this for decades, one trade down is ok if it’s done early in draft, and still keeps you in top 20-25, or early second, but if you have a chance to grab a stud player after your first trade down, take him!
Why he is part time? Just because he was in college? Is it safe to say that Wyatt and Davis are better or equal prospects as Quinnen. I think the answer is resounding yes! That said, DT is not a great need for us! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Cmon, we desperately need an edge rusher!!! Especially a generational one. The last 17 yrs have been brutal, watching jet game w/o any semblance of a pass rush! Other than a blitz! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
May I dare to bring up Kyle Brady! Terrible pick. Trading 2 1st round picks for Dwayne Robertson. Different regimes, same results for most part. But seems to linger. Parcells drafts and draft trades were horrible too. Rex had no good ones too. 2013-14 drafts miserable. Idzikiot was BAD! Not better with McCagdumb. He didn’t miss on really high picks, cause they are no brainers. But rest of his drafts just just BAD. Taking Adams above Mahomes, then taking maye in 2nd, Was inconceivable. JDs first draft looks miserable as well. But there is hope as you mention, he nailed it last year! When jets were good, that is when they nailed drafts. Late 70’s and early 80’s. Early 2000’s, and late 2000’s. Rest have been not just bad, but really bad. Maybe we are on good path, with last years. Hope so! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
He's part time because he is so fat and out of shape! He can only play a play or two and then he needs a breather. He played fewer snaps this past season than he did the season before. That's not good. He should have been able to play more. The answer is NOT a resounding yes! It's only a resounding yes for those who aren't thinking straight. He's a great prospect, but using a top ten pick on a rotational player is a waste of draft capital.
