1) What do I want a HC to do that Rex cannot? For one thing I would like to have a HC that is a HEAD coach and can supervise both offense and defense. I think it is now abundantly clear that Rex has no clue on offense. 2) There have been any number of successful NFL coaches that have played a significant role in the evaluation and drafting of talent: Bill Walsh, Bill Bellichick, Bill Parcells to name 3 with the same first name. There is no one size fits all way to run a NFL franchise. It appears to me that Tanny let Rex play an active role in the Jets draft. The problem was that NEITHER Tanny NOR Rex was particularly good at evaluating talent.
It is funny how (in all sports) the quality of the coach seems to be determined to a very great extent by reference to the quality of the players and yet the quality of the players is pretty much ignored when the reputation of the coach is being set by fans and the media. the number of coaches that can actually raise the performance of the players into something more than the sum of the parts seems to be tiny and has very little correlation with the coaches that are considered to be the best.
I agree with one part of your breakdown so much I felt compelled to point out how well you nailed Rex. One or two NFL great players can make a OC or DC look way better than he is and open opertunities as a HC they didn't truly deserve. Rex had one of the best set of defensive players of all time under him in Baltimore and two are first ballot HOFers and many others were maybe not elite, but great players. Just like his dad had a group of great players (HOFers) with the Bears and Eagles. Rex like his dad was inflated because thier defensive players were great, yet thier defensive coaching was only very good at best. As his dad failed when he stepped up to HC, so has Rex, neither being a true coach. Without Revis would our Defense have been as good, no! Without the shitload of 1st round picks invested would our defense have been so good. No! Rex gets too much credit for a Defense who can't stop the run and gets too few turn-overs.
I completely disagree. I am not the biggest Rex fan, but I think you are selling him waaaaaaaay short. Rex hasnt had a sideline to sideline LB, good passrusher, or consistent playmaking safety since he's gotten here, and he has consistently put top defenses.
It was the same formula in the 60's Champ. We play in the Northeast. We actually had a good QB back then though...something we've been missing ever since. out of curiosity, did you want to run Weeb and Namath out of town in the late 60's, citing 'no championships..:sad:'
For some reason people think Rex is the only head coach who operates this way,If that were the case there would be no coordinators on the sidelines. Almost every coach in the league is only great at offense or defense this isn't just a Rex Ryan thing
Def selling Rex short we haven't had any real playmakers upfront in the last 4 seasons,He is great at schemeing plays and finds a way to make mediocre talent look good, In my eyes Rex is the best defensive coach currently in the Nfl he is heads n shoulders above his father n brother
Agreed regarding Rex's flexibility and game planning when it comes to D. He makes the most of hybrid type guys. i think you selling Buddy short tho. He was a true innovator in this league, and one of the best D minds i've seen. The Bears in the 80's were flat out dominant, and the Eagles of late 80's early 90's were literally intimidating. Among the best defenses i've ever seen, and possibly will ever see considering the flag football rule changes.
What does it mean to "supervise both offense and defense"? Do you want him calling the offensive plays? We finally have a really good OC. Should Rex be overruling his decisions? The simple fact of the matter is that every head coach comes from either the offensive or defensive side of the game and those head coaches tend to remain focused on their parts of the game and get good coordinators to run the other side. Did you see Bill Walsh calling the defensive plays? No, he got a good DC and let him run the defense. Just because some head coaches are also their GMs and/or are good talent evaluators, doesn't mean that's part of being the head coach. Incidentally, Bellicheck (who I think most people would say is a great HC) is not a good talent evaluator (look at his NE Drafts). Parcells was not a good talent evaluator, look at his drafts with the Jets and with the Dolphins. Does that mean Parcells was a bad HC or that Bellicheck is a bad HC? The GM is the talent evaluator and its his job to get talent for the team. Does the coach have input, sure he does, but the decisions and responsibility belong to the GM. The jets poor talent level last year was a result of the GM's failure, not Rex's. Rex did an amazing job getting that team to 6 wins.
Aside from the brain dead move of putting Sanchez at risk last week my biggest beef with Rex is this: Rex is supposed to be a defensive mastermind. He should be able to take the defensive players he has, train them up and use his play calling abilities to put them in the best position to succeed. If he is such as defensive mastermind, why does he need to use all of the first round picks we get on defensive players? Shouldn't he be able to take lesser players and make them look good with his coaching?
I like the guy from boise state . Chris peterson. Dude makes that team look good every year. Or saban would be great too. But he is never coming back after that miami disaster. Dolphins. What a joke of a team.
You're not going to build an elite defense with mediocre players. Good coaching can take a team with some very good players (and some ok players) and make it a very good defense, but if you want an elite defense you need some great players and very good coaching. Great players without very good coaching will create a good defense. The miracle of Rex is that aside from Revis the jets had no real great defensive players, but were still able to build a very good defense (and even an elite defense in 2009), despite some very limited players (weak safeties, DL and OLBs). Great defense generally starts with a great defensive line. The defensive line on the jets when Rex came in was mediocre at best (Jenkins was the only really dominant player and he was injured a lot). Now that the DL has been rebuilt into a strength, I expect the jets to spend their first round picks in other places.
Really guys come on now we are getting silly and totally over valuing what a coach can do. This is the NFL not Pop Warner there i s development but you cannot make a player that can't play in this league good through scheme. You can scheme to take advantage of the strengths of your players but if they suck they suck. Rex schemes as well as anybody to hide the deficiencies of some of his players.
marvin lewis as DC: Bal 1996-2001: 96: 28 pts, 30 yds 97: 18, 25 98: 16, 22 99: 6, 2 00: 1, 2 01: 4, 2 Was 2002 02: 21, 5 average: pts: 13 yds: 13 Rex Ryan as DC: Bal 2005-2008: 05: 10, 5 06: 1, 1 07: 22, 6 08: 3, 2 average: pts: 9 yds: 4
Most coaches only get to use half of their high draft picks on each side of the ball. How come no one else seems to need every first rounder to shore up their area of expertise?
he doesn't run the drafts, in those years they felt the best player available at their pick was a defensive player.
