Cmon Jets fans

That depends on how short a time his hurries are, and how long his clean pockets times are. I'm not going to go through every permutation, but I think you can see that "Average Pocket Time" isn't very revealing. The fact remains that the OL needs to do a better job of pass pro. And also, Zach needs to do a better job of calling out protection and getting rid of the ball quicker.

 

No, I never said they were "disproportionately fast compared to other QBs". What I'm saying is that you can't really draw any good conclusions from "Average Pocket Time"...regardless of who the QB is.

What would be actually useful is to time every drop back for Zach (or any QB) and then chart what happened on each drop back. Maybe on a quick pressure drop back he completes a quick throw and the receiver takes it for a long gain, but on a longer pressure drop back he throws an incompletion or interception. But even then there's a bunch of other variables that come into play.

For me, it boils down to did the QB have enough time to reasonably complete a pass, and were the receivers able to get open in that amount of time?

 

My unscientific observations is that Zach like most QBs struggles with inside pressure. Against Pitt we saw him doing a great job of stepping up in the pocket. Something that has been hard to do of late with all the inside pressure. Zach seems to be better with outside pressure by itself.

I would say the type of pressure matters more than anything else. The free rushers and inside pressure destroys plays more than other type of pressure.

 

IDK how they calculate this, but just looking at the list and where different QBs fall, and noting that some QBs who have struggled and even been benched are ranked ahead of Wilson, it seems to support my assertion that this is a very questionable stat to draw any good conclusions from. But I find it odd that Zach is supposedly ranked so low and yet he has very few INTs or fumbles. No, he doesn't have a lot of completions, but that's indicative of him not forcing things under pressure which is something the Jets CS has been drilling into him since Day 1.

 

Pitt, who are you talking about?

 

Me and you are in the exact same boat. I still support and have hope for Zach, but the glaring issues in his development are becoming more and more of a concern. Sure we are winning and that is all we can ask for, but we will never be a true contender until he improves a lot more. The skill set is there, it's everything else. Mind, poise, and just getting comfortable making the easy throws. Sometimes he looks like a chicken with its head cut off and makes dangerous throws. Tomorrow will be a big test for him. I wanna see how he performs.

 

Yes, I agree he has to get better in these areas, but why do you feel such urgency that he should be doing this now after 17 games, especially since he's shown steady improvement? In fact, I'd say more than steady improvement, having taken charge in tough games and not made any critical mistakes and leading them to 4 straight wins.

Tomorrow is a big test, and I want to see how he's perform too, but even if he doesn't have a great game it's not going to be the end of his career, as much as some here would like to see that.

 

Steelers, he had a great fourth quarter

 

That is 100% correct. That was Brady’s Achilles heal as it is for most pocket passers.

 

Chris Simms thinks the Jets can continue a .700 winning clip with Zach continuing to provide pedestrian performances and numbers? Not coughing up the ball is just one level of improvement. Competent QBs are also be able to read defenses, hit open men and minimize sacks by throwing the ball away and live to play another down. Despite the Jets winning record, it doesn't take a high level scout to see that Zach has flatlined with regards to his development. I'd be a tad suspicious of anyone who thinks the Jets can continue this level of success with such mediocre play at QB.

PS: Chris needs to stop looking down at his script in order to make his presentation more believable.

 

Maybe I'm being a little unfair, but my sense of urgency is I want to win and see some games where Zach Wilson's brilliance and arm talent just shines. Like a few of the other young talented QB's in the league have shown at the same point. After 17 games there should just be something there that you can say man what a stud and he's only gonna get better. Instead of man I hope he can improve and get to a good level. I want to see the individual talent shine. The Jets have great talent around him and he has improved, and is not turning the ball over. I see it, but I've been far from impressed by him to say the least at this point. Again perhaps I'm being unfair who knows. But I want to see more from him. Zach has 1 touchdown pass after 4 games back, I mean you know.

 

The people that believe have seen this those that have things he is a bust.

After the Steelers game and Miami game we were talking howu h progress he has made. We play a run heavy game plan against the top pass defenses and people panic .

Keep in mind he is still young, our o-line has been banged up and he missed a couple of throws against Denver. He did not miss a lot of throws the prior three games.

To me Zach is playing very conservative under pressure. Throw the ball away live another day. Not horrible when you are playing weak offenses and your Defense is playing well. The problem is his under pressure a lot. To me he gets into the scrambling mode then it hurts his pocket awareness. This happens to most Qbs just look at Brady.

Every single game he has settled down in the the 4th quarter. He needs to continue his upward trajectory he had prior to the Denver game. We will see if he can.

 

Seriously? You're still at this? Why do you feel the need to control the conversation? Why is it so important to you? Everyone who disagrees with you is, by definition, a "hater"? Are you like this in other aspects of your life - totally inflexible and dismissive of anyone who dares to disagree with you? Is that true in your politics, your religion, your education and what you eat? When you go out to dinner do you insist that everyone with you must eat what you order? Is the one who orders beef when you get chicken a hater?

This is still a forum for exchanging ideas, not an exercise in brainwashing - deal with it.

 

Zach shit the bed last week. Let's see how he does against the Bills.