Cimini: Sanchez showing signs of progress

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  1. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    QB having problem with downfield reading means the play design makes no sense whatsoever unless the QB is as dumb as a doorknob. As you will know better, no QB thrived under Schottenheimer for a reason - I see no reason to take exception on Sanchez.

    Specifically, what do I mean by "Play Design"?

    Ok. I don't know if you understand this but, when OC designs a play, he expects some reactions from the defense; for this, 1) he is devising the protection scheme, and tells the QB to look at either specific player or zone, and identify certain player and relay to the OL. Next, 2) he deploys the receivers in a way that will be advantageous for the offense.

    #1 is where pre-snap read kicks in. #2 is where reading the defense kicks in. So... what if the QB is dumb as a doorknob? If the OC knows what he is doing, he can still make the QB function at a marginal level. (Michael Vick in Atlanta for instance.) But if the OC is a dumb fuck? HoF QB can't bail that out unless the QB has the freedom to basically assemble the route combination of the WRs and make the protection call in the huddle. (That's what Vinny did during the Meadowland miracle on Monday Night football against Dolphins; basically he called his own plays in 4th quarter, and Dolphins defense was never prepared for this one.)

    I keep telling you to watch the Rams offense this year until you can make your mind up on Sanchez's deficiency, because of this. I for one think Schottenheimer is a retard that shouldn't even be allowed to coach at NFL level, but that's me.
     
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  2. nyjunc

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    Is that why Sanchez was so successful w/ deep balls his first 2 seasons? Did we have a different OC in '09 & '10?
     
  3. Bellows1

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    No, but they did "dumb down" the play book for the rookie, and we ran the ball a whole lot better and more often than last season.
     
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    so you are saying struggling run game, struggling OL, no deep threat played a role in the lack of a deep passing game?
     
  5. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    I can see them looking to reduce the high-impact collisions in the secondary too. A lot of these receivers and DB's are colliding at full speed and are knocking themselves senseless. I definitely think the NFL will look to slow the game down a little bit. I'd love to know what ideas they are currently going over.
     
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    The addition of Hill and Schilens will pose a threat to the top of the defense. That will allow Holmes more room to work underneath. Hill and Schilens are big time upgrades over Mason and Plax in stretching the field vertically (something Braylon did very well for us).
     
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    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    Very good post. Spot on :up:
     
  8. Zach

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    But it's not his fault.
     
  9. Hobbes3259

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    Nice work Bro.


    I made the bolded statement just last night.


    St. Louis is out of their fucking minds bringing that retard in.

    It's bad enough that Sanchez suffered through it for his first three years (and notice all the reports out of camp about how good he looks now?)



    But they're bringing him in, in Bradfords 3rd year.

    bad juju.


    You have to figure that Schitty will get at least 2 or 3 years...and Bradford will be at the end of his rookie deal, look like $#it, and go elsewhere.

    How far back will that set the organization.
     
  10. xxedge72x

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    Schottenheimer can be compared to the academic whose never worked a day in his life. While Schotty obviously HAS worked, the fact is that his football brilliance is likely more in football theory then practical application.
     
  11. Louis

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    Greg Cosell, who generally is one of the best at breaking down film going right now, analyzed Sanchez today in his piece on the NFL Film blog, covering some of what is being discussed here:

     
  12. nyjunc

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    I think Greg Cosell is awful, I didn't read that piece so it has nothing to do w/ that but I have read some of his stuff in the past and I'm not a fan.
     
  13. Zach

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    I'm trying to steer clear from Cosell, but just what is that fucking old fart smoking? Jesus Christ.

    Sanchez converted 35% of the 3rd down opportunities through passing. So is that a problem? Just how can a moron like this still call himself some sage in NFL circles? It's preposterous.

    Ok, here's the breakdown. Most of the new downs come from 1st and 2nd down attempts. (up to 58-60%) 3rd down conversion ratio is not that good. (around 35%) The last part come from 4th down trials and turnovers. (~10%) Now, on the 3rd down conversions (~35%) you need to realize that most of the 3rd down conversions on short yardage is a run conversion, meaning, 3rd down conversion through the air is much lower than 30%. (This is from situational football stats used by Bill Walsh.) - as you can see, there is a reason why teams try to avoid 3rd down situation if at all, or if they are forced into it, they want favorable set-up. (i.e. going for the big bomb play on 2nd and 1.)

    So just what the fuck is that moron fussing about? Is he smoking something?

    And Sanchez has limited arm strength, right? Very funny. Ok, Greg... tell me who DOES NOT have limited arm strength.

    Last, but not the least, play action fake is a very risky play for offense too - I don't think this old fart Greg understands that part. You know why? The QB has to turn his back toward the defense for a good amount of time, regardless of whether defense bites the fake or not. After the fake handoff, the QB 1. has to read the defense and make adjustment 2. decide what to do with the ball 3. gather himself up, set his feet AND throw. If a QB can do exceptional job at play action fake, he will do very well WITHOUT IT TOO.

    Jesus Christ.
     
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  14. Louis

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    Cosell's not always right (and he doesn't call himself a "sage" either), but I should have expected people on this board to hate him.

    FYI: Jaworski and Mayock have pretty much the same stance on play action and managed systems that he does. I'm sure those guys are wrong though and you, Zach, are right.
     
  15. Zach

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    1. I don't hate Cosell. His "35% conversion ratio on 3rd down through the air" shit was a total stupidity though.

    If you still can't get a grip on that, know that leaguewide 3rd down conversion average is in 30% zone somewhere. Cosell just had a brainfart there.

    2. Reference?
     
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    why does this surprise people? sanchez in the two minute and when he was calling his own plays was a great player

    this is marks breakout year
     

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