Ivory's been banged up repeatedly in his career. His best stretch was with the Jets last year when they carefully monitored his carries and put him on a pitch count so to speak. It was the only season where he played in all 16 games.
When did Ivory become a take it to the house playmaker? http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/15825/leveon-bell http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/13587/year/2014/chris-ivory You tell me whose game by game log you'd rather have. 944 yards from scrimmage or 2,215 yards from scrimmage? 4.1 yards per carry & 6.8 yards per reception or 4.7 yards per carry and 10.3 yards per reception? A 71 yard long run & a 23 yard reception or an 81 & 43? Ivory had one run over 20 yards. Bell had 7, including two 50+. You tell me who you'd rather have. Jamaal Charles averages 5.5 yards per carry for his career. Darren McFadden & him in the same sentence is a joke.
I feel you.. i just see people saying he's injure prone in the thread but he has only been really injured once to my knowledge and that was when he first arrived in 2013.
Yes because the coaching staff takes the proper steps towards keeping him healthy. You can't be an elite feature back getting 175 touches a year, but that's the pitch count that keeps Ivory healthy and affective. He's taylor made for a runningback by committee system. He's a better runner than Brandon Jacobs was, but he fits the role of being the pounder of a 1-2 punch or even a 1-2-3 punch. Give him the rock 20 times a game and he's going to hit the wall relatively quick.
.......on the REAL, C-Ivory is 1 of thee most VIOLENT running backs I have ever seen!! ......Raw yet fluid, running aggression - as tho' somebody stole something from his mama' !
100% Can't believe people prefer Thomas Jones as a runner to Chris Ivory. Yes, TJ was a good dude and piled up yards behind a dominant offensive line, but he NEVER made any yards on his own. He was a plodder. Slow and stiff but reliable. Never was fun to watch by any means.
TJ was a workhorse who played 48 games over 3 years for us, starting 44 of them, and averaged 19.4 carries a game over that span. Chris Ivory is a good back but he'd crumple under that workload and he'd crumble pretty quickly is my guess. Apples and Oranges. They both taste good but you'd never confuse one for the other.
He is a lot quicker than he was last season. Have not seen this raw speed and acceleration from him before. He'll have a monster 1000+ yard 10+ TD season
Agreed. I very much hope we activate Zac Stacy and begin more of a committee ASAP. Luckily Ridley can heal up in the meantime and, if he has to, he can play in a pseudo-starting role down the stretch. That being said, the Jets should be more concerned about Ivory (his production, health, etc.) this year rather than preserving his career. He is, after all, on the final year of a contract and he very well could be leaving our team after this season. So could Powell, Stacy, and Ridley. In that way, we have more flexibility with the RB position than virtually any other team in the league.
I'm just catching up on this thread and not trying to flame, but the bolded is legitimately bizarre to me from the memory I have of Jones' time as a Jet. The guy was pretty damn slow, and had almost no innate creativity to manufacture the big play on the second level. He was stout, powerful, had a nice center of gravity, and knew where to take the ball more often than not, but he was essentially the opposite of a speed guy who you wanted to get the ball to in open space. He was not a "playmaker" by any stretch of the imagination; plays made him, and he worked hard to achieve the great success he found in his time with the Jets. Ivory is much more dynamic to my eye. Just a totally different type of running back.
I never said Ivory is a playmaker, especially not in the mold of Jamaal Charles. You did with Bell. That's what I was questioning. And again, I don't understand why people keep going after rushing yards. Bell and Ivory play in different offenses, different situations, different QB's. Did you see DeAngelo out there last week? Are you telling me he's now better than Bell, that DeAngelo suddenly is elite again? Because he looked like shit in Carolina a year ago when he was younger. And no, MacFadden was just that early in his career, a Jamaal Charles clone, a Chris Johnson clone. Look at his stats in Oakland when he had a good line give him running room. He walked through defenses, the same way Chris Johnson did, the same way Jamaal Charles used to. They are a product of their O-Line. You put any of those backs behind a mediocre line and they disappear. The only reason you think it's a joke to mention McFadden is that he didn't have an elite line blocking for him his entire career, the way Jamaal Charles does. The Chiefs have a history of producing good backs, or let me say a history of creating running room for their RB's. Similar to the Texans. Similar to the Jets under Rex early on, and the years before that with Thomas Jones. Those guys just aren't elite, they take what you give them. Ivory, Lynch, Peterson, they leave nothing out there, they actually give you more than you'd expect. Look, you can look at it any way you want. It's not a fact. If you prefer Jamaal Charles it's your right, I don't have to convince you of anything. He's a good back, he's a great playmaker, and when you give him enough room to run he is one of the most dangerous guys at RB. But personally, I want somebody who gets yards after contact, who runs tough, gets the tough yards and breaks tackles. The mental part is huge in football. If you hit Jamaal Charles in the backfield once the defense already has that feeling of being able to shut him down, they gain momentum, they have confidence. If Ivory keeps running you over it demoralizes the defense, they deflate, they lose confidence, doens't matter if it's a 1 yard run or 10 yard run. You can stick to Bell, DeAngelo Williams, guys who are more of a product of their O-Line, the passing game and whatnot. I rather have guys who break tackles. The stats don't mean anything to me. 800 yards Ivory runs circles around 1300 yard Ridley. You don't measure RB's by their rushing yards.
Ivory is a total wrecking ball. The guy just beats you down and his will to gain more yards after contact is unreal. This is a contract year for him I believe , so add that to the mix and this guy is going to be brutal to deal with for opposing defenses. My only hope is Gailey doesn't wear him out as the season progresses and mixes in Stacey for 5-8 carries a game. Stacey is also a guy who's a load to take down so the pounding on the opposing defenses will be consistent. The best thing about this team offensively is how well rounded we are. As good as we are can you imagine if we had a TE who could catch, that would be insane! It's too bad Amaro got hurt in pre-season, it would have been interesting to see what role he would have played in Gailey's O. I'm thinking Bohannon wouldn't be here if not for Amaro's injury, I think Gailey envisioned using him in the FB role a bit.
The Jets could try to get 250-275 carries out of Ivory this year but he's not a particularly durable back and not only would they be taking a big chance on his value moving forward - which may or may not belong to the Jets - but they'd also be dealing with a significant chance that Ivory broke down during the season. If Ivory had shown the ability to take a lot of carries in a season before without winding up on IR it'd be a different story.
The Steelers generally have a piss poor offensive line. You're welcome to your opinion. I'm gathering that your top 4 runningbacks of all time include Bettis, Csonka, Riggins and Mike Alstott because afterall you value hard contact over production.
I get what you and others are saying, but CMart was the friggin energizer bunny. He was durable, a helluva runner, and could handle a LOT of carries. None of this is meant to knock Ivory whom I like a lot, but Ivory (and every RB who plays his style) cannot do what CMart did. A prime example Earl Campbell. The man was a beast, but it ruined his body. More importantly, his career was shortened dramatically because the Oilers used his like a every down runner. The thing is that that only works for a few seasons and then those guys are literally done. So players like Ivory present you with a choice: 1. Use them a an every down RB powering thru people and retire after doing this 2-3 years.... OR 2. Use them as a PT RB sharing the load with another back and trying to keep their bodies from imploding. How long this gets you is dependent on a wide array of circumstances, but in theory you might get 5-8 good years from a power back. In either event, a player like Ivory, tho he is a badass and I love him, isn't a long term solution. Either he will be out of the league in a few years or he needs backfield help. But if we use him as our number one RB, it won't last long unless Ivory can do something no one else has done. For me, this is one of the main areas where CMart earned his respect. The man could perform at a high level for a very long time. That gets overlooked as if he was a backup for ten years, but he was constantly near the top of the pack. Again, I like Ivory--he is tough, dynamic, passionate--but to say we haven't had another great RB in the last 20 years, or that he is the best we've had in the last 20 years, or whatever, feels like it isn't giving CMart his due.
Let Ivory give us two years like this, until then respect Thomas Jones. 2008 - 1300/13 2009 - 1400/14
