Rex Ryan is calling the defense on Sundays. You're right about the personnel. It will be interesting to see how well he can do without the Ravens greats. That said, it's not like he doesn't have anything to work with. There's a lot of talent on the Jets D.
Anyone named Channing should be punched in the balls and kicked in the face. I thought I'd change up the order for a Monday.
So you think it's a lock all first year HC's make the playoffs? Look what had t go Miami's way in order for us to make the playoffs and win the division. A) We had Pennington fall into our laps. B) Brady goes down for the year. C) We had BP and all he brings to a franchise D) The Jets epic collapse. E) The Wildcat F) Super soft schedule There's more, but you get the idea. Look what had to go the Dolphins way. Granted Luck plays a roll in every successful season, but Miami had more than their share in 08. Do you see all that going the Jets way? Do you see Mark Sanchez playing so well the Jets make the playoffs? Do you see the Pats missing the playoffs again? The Dolphins beileve they can win, they didn't believe that last year, they've tasted the playoffs and their coaches won't allow them to rest on their laurels. I think the Jets need a ton of crap to go just right for everything to fall into place this year, it could happen, but honestly how likely is that? I think Ryan is a great coach, I think the Jets were smart to sign him. I think the Jets are more confidnet in their ability right now than the Dolphins were last year at this time. But having a rookie QB with no real veteran leadership at the QB position is not something that screams confidence. The QB position is one that you better have right or else everything could go bad. The Jet fans thought last year, just get rid of Chad and sign Brett and the Jets are set....even the great Brett Favre couldn't get you to the playoffs, but Mark Sanchez will? I don't know I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
What you have to realize is were a completely different team.....we are not going to look like the Jets. We will be more physical and we will pound the football. And the great brett favre was not the great brett favre late in the season lol he gave the dolphins the win in the final game of the season lol so he might have been great for you.....But while im not sitting here saying we are going to make the playoffs because no one knows, its not even preseason, but i will gaurantee we will be a tougher more physical team and we will surprise alot of teams...
I know a lot of people may disagree with me on this, but I feel we had the talent to make the playoffs last year. when we were clicking, we were GOOD. Unfortunately Mangini and Co. never put us in a position to win. They ran the ball when we should have passed, passed when we should have ran, When Brett Favre injured his arm, Mangini wouldn't even take some of the load off him! That is why we collapsed. On top of that, we couldn't make a halftime adjustment to save our life, and as Jenkins got worn down, the whole team suffered. With Mangini gone, I personally think the Jets will be as good, if not better, than last year. Obviously, we have to see if Ryan can coach or if he's all talk, but I feel we have the talent to make the playoffs.
I was making reference to the poster's inclusion of Ngata (NT), R.Lewis (ILB), and E.Reed (FS)......so i pointed out that we're not exactly weak at those positions with Jenks, Harris/Scott) and Rhodes. I could never forget Revis, bro :smile:
Wait, wait, wait. First you point out all the things that had to go the Dolphins way to win the Division. Then you wonder if the Jets could have the same in order to win it next season? We don't need to. We were rolling on all cylinders at 8-3. The only thing that stood in our way then players wearing down and Eric Mangini. One is gone. The other is hopefully going to have less of an impact on our Defense because we're going to be rotating players and giving them different roles on almost every other down. You had to overcome a superstar QB's season-ending injury, AND a total team collapse down the stretch just to win the Division. Add a tougher schedule, and that teams have for the most part figured out how to defend the Wildcat. Oh, and don't forget to bet on Pennington getting injured this year. That's always been a sure-bet every other year here in NY. And you can't tell me there's no uncertainty in ur QB situation if that were to happen. Both Chad Henne and Pat White are unproven. Now, I ask ya...Do YOU see the Dolphins having all those things going their way again this season, for them to even finish 2nd in the Division?
That may have been the mindset of the casual fan, but many of us wanted closure of Chad, because we saw a number of times the limit of his ability in the post-season. I personally looked at Favre as a ways to cut ties with Chad and transition to the future, with a ticket-selling machine at QB who had a good enough skillset to provide at least half an exciting season. Is that the way to build a team? Well, it's a pussy way of doing it. The Jets, in retrospect, probably should have traded Pennington in the 2007 offseason... but I think the offensive line benefited most in him staying for a couple of years and would not be as good right now if we had gone young in week 1 of 2007. There were pro's and con's with having Chad, but he isn't clutch, we just saw a hell of a lot of that. He may get you to another playoff game, but get ready for a lot of jumped routes.
I don't think Miami needs those things to go their way this year. I think Miami is in position to make things happen that wouldn't have happened a year ago. To simplify, Miami has confidence now, the players believe in the system, they know and understand if they do things the way they're told, they will have success. Miami is in a different place now. We are more talented, we're bigger and fatser. We've upgraded the talent levels on the Oline, the secondary, ST and skill positions. I think Miami won last year because of coaching. I think the Jets won because of talent. This year Miami's talent level is much better and we still have the coaching. This year the Jets are about the same in talent, save the QB position and coaching. Not that you haven't gotten better, it's just an unknown at this point. No one knows if Rex Ryan can be a HC and no one knows if Mark Sanchez is a starting NFL QB. Miami at this point has no questtions at QB or coaching. I know Jet fans will remind me Chad has yet to have back to back good seasons, btu that's not a reason to think this year won't be different. Chad isn't coming off some kinda injury. He played a full season plus 1 playoff game helathy. He's had a full off season where he didn't have to rehab. Just train, and work with his WR's and study his playbook. Miami also has the benefit of a BP and guy that knows what it takes to improve from one season to the next. He did it with the Giants, he did it with the Pats. TS can step into BP office at anytime and ask him anything he wants to ask him. It's a luxury few HC's have. Now I'm not saying all this is a gurantee for the Dolphins and success or the Jets and failure or less success, not at all. I'm simply pointing out the Dolphins are currently in better position to imporve than the Jets till Ryan and Sanchez prove something. I think the Jets D is gonna be one tough unit and scoring will be at a premium when ever someone lines up agaisnt the Jets, but theres more to winning than just being strong on one side of the Ball. Maybe in 2 or three years the Jets can be the Ravens part 2, but I don't see it this year. Remeber we were one unlucky pass away from sweeping the Jets last year.
Yeah, I think Mangina was a serious problem for the Jets last year. I couldn't believe how uninspired the Jets looked in NY for the season finally. Everyone looked flat. The Jets looked like they were just going through the motions. The Jets are better off without Mangina.
Very intersting, I see this response a lot to Chad from Jet fans. Basically Chad couldn't get it done for us, so he won't get it done for anyone "you'll see". Maybe, but I think our coaching staff figured Chad out and the reason he was so successful for us last year was because our coaching staff didn't make Chad throw passes they no he can't make or that other teams think they can capitalize on. Miami was very creative with their offensive schemes. Using different players from one week to the next so teams could key in on individulals. One week it was Ginn, the next it was Bess the next it was Fasano, the next Martin. Miami was anything but predictable. I think when you have a QB that doesn't have a rocket for an arm you have to figure out ways to utilize his strengths, in Chads case his accuracy and his smarts, to creat offense. That's what Miami did. I think in the playoff game with the Ravens we were simply overmatched. Remember we were still a team playing with pieces that didin't fit what we want to do. That and the fact that Baltimore had their typical stout Defense. Miami also had key injuries along the Oline losing standout Rookie Donlad Thomas week one and Justin Smiley later to a broken leg. So the last place you want to have injuries when facng the Ravens is the Oline, it wasn't a good matchup for us. Chad was not at all to blame for that loss. Miami is a much better team with Pennington behind center, he knows how to win, he plays smart football. Wtih an improved Oline and a year in this system Chad should have an even better season in 09.
Rex Ryan's defense "figured Chad out" in the playoffs last season. Plus....teams will be better prepared for your "gimicky" wildcat scheme this season. Chad is on borrowed time.
There is some truth to this and Chad haters need to lighten up. Chad was great QB for the Jets when the running game was doing well and he was throwing a lot of play action passes. The Fins obviously have a strong running game and they are smart enough to use Penny the right way. When these two conditions are met he has always been successful. And he was successful last year with a college level WR corps. Dumping Pennington will still bite the Jets in the ass yet again.
You've made the transition to Pennington Apologist seamlessly! :up: "Chad was not at all to blame for that loss'. Um, yeah, 4 INTs. Chad's squeaky clean with the Pom Pom Crew.
