Change in thought.

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  1. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Now you are reaching. What pro concepts does the Oregon offense carry? You've watched plenty of Mariota so this should be an easy answer.
     
  2. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    BTW - I am not hating on the Mariota support team, like I said - I wouldn't mind him here. If I'm developing Mariota:

    1. Hiring a coaching staff that recognizes what he does great and I am incorporating all of his strengths into the playbook
    2. Sitting him down for a minimum of 8 games.

    If the Jets do these two things, I am 100% on board with Mariota. Do I believe those 2 things will happen? Ehhh ... history says fuck no.
     
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  3. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    The best offense for a guy like Mariota to run for years is a spread hybrid, and only if he sits for the majority of a year learning it. That read option shit is not going to last in this league.
     
  4. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe a new QB coach but I personally like MM as the OC. I would have no issues with him being in charge of Mariota's development.
     
  5. legler82

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    I'm away from my computer right now but their's an article I read where the Oregon coach says MM can play in any offensive system because they incorporate a lot of different pro concepts including but not limited to the WCO. When I'm back at my cpu , I'll post.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    When was the last time that Marty successfully mentored a young quarterback to success who hadn't been already successful?
     
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  7. legler82

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    It sucks we finally get a competent OC when we no longer have a young QB with potential that needs grooming. All signs point to him being let go along with Rex. With the Jets luck, when we get another potential franchise QB we'll have Schotty or Sporano 2.0 coaching him.
     
  8. Cromartie's_kid

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    It's really amazing how shitty we are at getting offensive coordinators and developing qb's. Who's fault is this?
     
  9. legler82

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    That is a completely fair question. He hasn't really by my count but I'd much rather retain MM as the OC and find me a new QB coach to the day to day mentoring.
     
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  10. Zach

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    Trade the farm and kitchen sink for that one QB prospect?

    You guys seriously would make Bill Walsh proud.

    With your stupidity.

    [Key to having a good draft? Have a lot of arrows in your quiver.]
     
  11. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    Like the Jets 2014 draft.
     
  12. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    Like I always say - draft is a crapshoot. It's like lottery ticket. So you want to get that ONE ticket? What assurance do you have, that he WILL be worth the trades and then some? [You don't.]

    And last draft is - I don't even know if I can call it a failure this early but, if you insist - the indictment of the scouting department, not the philosophy. [But you seem confused between the two. I am not surprised.]

    Joey Harrington had stellar career under MM's guidance, last time I checked.

    And he was overall #1 pick too.
     
  13. FJF

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    harrington was #3 overall. carr went first peppers 2nd
    i agree with the rest of your post
     
  14. Footballgod214

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    It's funny reading how many ppl want Vick back next year with a rookie QB learning under him for a year or two. This is exactly what a few of us wanted to happen THIS year with Vick and Geno but were drowned out by fans (including MM) who wanted to see Geno 'progress'. Can't learn from the bench they said.

    Seems like a lot of folks are singing a different tune.
     
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  15. Zach

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    I've been singing that tune for the past three years now. Nobody listened for the first two years. At least it's a PROGRESS. Right? [It's all process after all.]
     
  16. legler82

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    So essentially owners are paying GMs millions of dollars to play lotto. That's some profound shit. The type of profound shit I'm guessing a GM that is a poor evaluator of talent would say.

    Owner: So the past few drafts, we've had a ton of picks and a lot of them haven't panned out. Should I be concerned?
    GM: Like I always say - draft is a crapshoot. It's like lottery ticket.
    Owner: I thought you said it was more like a science.
    GM: Did I?
    Owner: I vividly remember you saying that when I interviewed you for the job. You said you wanted to build through the draft and you had the process down to a science. It was part of you plan for building "sustainable success". It was the main reason I picked you over the other candidates.
    GM: Hmmmm…so what about my extension?
     
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  17. legler82

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    By this logic Peyton Manning's HOF career is due to Jim Mora guidance…playoffs!!!
     
  18. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    As promised:

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...helfrich-qb-marcus-mariota-can-run-any-system

    Oregon's Mark Helfrich: QB Marcus Mariota can run any system
    • By Bryan Fischer
    • College Football 24/7 writer
    • Published: Oct. 22, 2014 at 06:57 p.m.
    • Updated: Oct. 22, 2014 at 07:07 p.m.
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    Oregon head coach Mark Helfrich is as nice a person as you'll find in college football, no matter if it's in an interview or you're chatting off the field about any topic.

    But if there is one thing that might tick him off, it's hearing about how the Ducks' offensive system is a detriment to star quarterback Marcus Mariota's draft status. In as polite a way as possible, he dismissed those concerns on the latest College Football 24/7 Podcast.

    "Marcus can run any system and any offense at any level," Helfrich said. "Our system is our system. There's always that label, 'He's a system guy.' Everybody is a system guy.

    "Our system has elements of a bunch, whether it's the West Coast offense, run-and-shoot, triple option, and our pro-style passing game. He can do all that stuff. So much of that is the ability to make great decisions, in rhythm, on time and be accurate with the ball and be tough. He's all those things."

    Helfrich noted that Mariota is essentially at the graduate level when it comes to knowing the team's offense, but one of the things that has held the entire team back is the youth at the skill positions around him. Indeed, six of the top 10 players on team in terms of all-purpose yardage are either a freshman or sophomore and first year players lead the squad in both rushing and receiving.

    Either way, the Ducks coach had nothing but glowing praise for the Heisman Trophy candidate and thinks he'll easily steal the show at the NFL Scouting Combine when he moves on from Eugene.

    "He's a competitive perfectionist. Every single thing he does, he wants to do great," Helfrich said. "He competes in period four just like he does in a BCS bowl game. To him, (the combine) is right in his wheelhouse, and he'll do great."

    There's plenty of good stuff in the podcast about the parity in the Pac-12, top corner prospect Ifo Ekpre-Olomu and more. Helfrich even discusses his time with the Vienna (Austria) Vikings. Feel free to have a listen to the whole thing on iTunes or right here.

    You can follow Bryan Fischer on Twitter at @BryanDFischer.
     
  19. Br4d

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    If the Jets are going to import the spread along with Mariota then the odds on him being successful and fairly quickly go way up.
     
  20. Big Blocker

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    Of course you are, Smith Fan. Heh.
     

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