When Kellen was starting, the defense had begun playing much better. This kept the NYJ in more games. The problem was still that the defense could not get off the field for very long, because of all the 3 and outs that the offense served them up. One of the real reasons that we lost so many games in the fourth quarter last year was because of this little understood, often glossed over dirty little fact. When your offense can't make first downs, you wear down your defense -- no matter how damned well they play. When your defense gets worn down, then it gets beat in the end of the game. Just like we did in game after game in 07. Are you still wondering why the CS and FO spend over a $100 million on free agent linemen this year? Do you think the CS and FO are going to ignore the OL in the draft this Year? Keep on fussing with the ballet dancers. Drink some more of that Fantasy Football Koolaid, and all will be well then.
Well then you obviously have a major disagreement with our CS, huh? Why do you think they would waste the time with a competition for the QBs if they believed what you are saying is true? Personally, I like the CS and I think they're doing a helluva job, given the severe lack of talent limitations on this team.
Because they are trying to trick other teams into trading for him, his popsiclesticks&gum patched shoulder, and his overpriced contract.
Everybody has seen the same thing that you have seen. Why haven't we heard of any interest in Chad? This smacks of a lot of wishful thinking. I haven't heard anything from the media or any team, from Chad (or even his father for that matter) or from the NYJ that suggests this theory holds water. What makes you think that except for your own judgment of the guy's performance...?
I think that there would be a lot of interest of Chad was being shopped, since I don't think that the prevailing opinion of his prospects among NFL coaches is reflected in the largely universal condemnation of this "message board". But even if somebody was sussed about his contract and wanted to get him for less, we'd still hear about it. The reason is that we are going to hear about it is because it would be in the NYJ best interest to create an "auction" for Chad's services. This is the best way to get value from the guy -- and right now value is in draft choices. Better and more draft choices would be forthcoming if more than one team that might be interested in Chad were made aware of his possible availability. All of which would mean that the word would get out and we would know about it just like everybody else who is interested. But there isn't any such word. So right now it's just wishful thinking on the part of folks that have deposited a load of anger and frustration at a 4-12 season on the most convenient target.
You think there would be a lot of interest but those who don't are angry and frustrated or drinking the fantasy football Koolaid. Got it.
Its time to end your Relationship with Chad Pennington. Like the girlfriend we love but she's just not doing it for us anymore.. We love her, but its time to move on to something younger and hotter... Break Up with Chad Pennington- all of you.
I haven't made up my mind whether I think Chad or Kellen is better. It's because both have been so disadvantaged by the situations they have been in, I don't think there has been a fair opportunity for either of them. You can't evaluate Chad except to say he was the comeback kid. But what about when he is healthy behind an OL that works? you can't evaluate Kellen except to say that he has a quick, though sometimes inaccurate release, and that he can run when he gets in trouble, which last year was like almost every play he was in there. But what about when he is behind an OL that works? Nobody likes to lose. I hate to lose. I love it when we win. But if we are going to win on a consistent (and often) basis, we have to overcome what is wrong with our team. In my opinion, the QB situation is way down the list on what is wrong with our team. There are serious deficiencies in outside speed, in OL performance in pass blocking, in OL performance in run blocking, in RB support for run blocking, in pass rushing, in LB play, and in pass coverage. After that, I think there is a QB situation that needs to be resolved, sure. But I think this is the priority that the CS and FO has to follow: OL, DL, LB, Speed, Secondary, QB. I think if you simply look to switch resumes from one player to another, then this is best done as a Fantasy Football exercise. It doesn't really help to do this in the off season. The CS and FO have made some major bets with their money behind their mouths in FA so far. They are also going to make some more major bets in the draft that's less than a month away. We will be watching what happens. But whether or not any of these moves has the desired effect, well, that will take some games, actually several games to find out. Should be fun. I hope we win a lot, because the CS and FO are on target.
I don't think this comment you made makes any sense. Perhaps you would elaborate, I could be dense, you know...?
In my mind, this thread has something to tell us: 1. There's too much emphasis on the ballet dancers. 2. The ballet dancers aren't what's wrong with this team, by a long shot. 3. Until you get some Big Uglies who are worthy of the name, OL, DL, etc., your ballet dancers don't have a chance in hell. 4. We can't block anybody, based on the 16 game schedule (not the hot air that is expended by fans who want NYJ to play 'better') 5. We can't tackle anybody very often -- it's been a long time since a hit of the NYJ knocked an opposing player out of the game (I mean, was it Bledsoe that was our last casualty?) 6. None of our running backs has had a 250 yard game. 7. Nobody is afraid of the NYJ. 8. Nobody in rival secondaries is scared of our WRs. 9. So far, the only NYJ player I've seen lately that pisses people off, was Chad when he ran the sugar huddle so well against the Colts and made them jump off sides so much that Peyton Manning got up on the side lines and shock his head and ran off to complain to his head coach about this guy who was using PM tactics to play them unfairly. 10. The only team we ever seem to play tough are the ??$@@@@#@#@??!! Patriots. Why don't we play everybody tough? Why don't we try to crush everybody? Why don't we make all the teams that come to Giants Stadium (not JETs Stadium) to play the NYJ miserable? 11. We don't get any respect whatsoever. Okay, sometimes, people will nod their head about our intellectual trickery from time to time, but they treat it is a solitary, not-very-often aberration that they will easily overcome the next time.
I completely understand what you are saying, but it's not just the time to move on to Clemens, its the time for everyone to understand that QBs fade away and new signal callers must lead our beloved team. Chad career is over, its what happens in the NFL- people get old and they aren't as effective and its time to find that new QB.. i'm not even saying its Clemens. Everyone just has to end their relationship with Chad Pennington. I ended mine and it wasn't pleasant, i had to come to terms with the fact that the New York Jets need a new QB, like we did after Namath, like we did after O'Brien, like we did after Richard Todd, like we did after Browning Nagle, like we did after Vinny, and now like we need to after Chad. Its just time to move on.
No i get that, we can win with either of them for the short term if we beef up the rest of the team. I think your on the same track the FO is. I also like the fact that you are preaching patience. That now makes i think 4 of us on this whole board. I did have an incomplete thought,where i wrote "its not just time to move on to Clemens"- i also meant its time to move on period, to anyone else who can play the position well.-- but its a moot point. :grin: i'm stuck on my point and really driving it home.. my bad.
i was one of, if not the first one, to do that. sure was hot in the ol flame chamber. hermy used to hold the marshmellow roasts in there. better to be out amongst all you cooler folks.......:wink:
Everyone has to retire eventually. If not, they might get traded/released or even demoted to become a backup. Everytime there was a QB change, the younger one showed he was ready. Chad showed that he was better than Vinny at that particular time their respective careers. I wanted Vinny to be benched so badly when Chad showed his potential. I just don't feel that way with Kellens. Until he shows that he's worth making a permanent switch for, he probably wont be behind Mangold. To prove he's ready, he has be a clear cut winner of the competition. Even if its 60-40 in favor of Kellen, it still think Chad might start but who knows. CP might have bad day but if he has several bad days in the training camp, then Kellen will step in. Alot of money has been invested in this off season for Kellen to be a starter simply because he has a good arm and is young. He has to prove he was worth spending all that money in the off season to help the OL. I believe we need another QB. Kellen might turn out to be good but who knows? If he does, he will still have the new QB and CP. They will hold their own respective trade value. Draft this year or next year, but it has to be a solid QB, better yet, a can't miss QB. I dont see that in this yrs draft though but we may gamble on Flacco and put him in the mix. Who knows he might just play similar to that of Big Ben. Big Ben has a good team but I dont think he's worth spending $100,000,000 for. The thread reads "Chad won't be a Jet come Sept 08". I strongly disagree with it. We are starting to make comparisons between Kellen and Chad but reality is, even if Kellen starts, we can not go into a the season with a rookie as a backup. They BOTH have to be there. If we can afford $150M on other players in one off season, then we can afford $7M for Chad too. If something happens to Kellen, we still have Chad. If something happens to Chad, we still have Kellen. They should compliment each other either way. If Chad is terrible and Flacco shows potential, then Chad can still be traded during the season for even a 4th round draft pick.
We apparently have an overpaid NT with a bum knee that is by and large being called "garbage" by the faithful braintrust of TGG. All of which has not stopped 4-6 teams being interested in him. If Chad was on the bargaining table I doubt seriously there would be ZERO chatter about it, regardless of all your pop-gun puns. Now maybe when the draft rolls around, maybe he will magically get traded off. If not, I would start getting re-accustomed to the idea of his starting because barring a sudden superman transformation on Clemens part, Chad will likely be the man again.
