Quote: "... I would have also gone out and signed the best Qb coach in the business...." So who is this QB guru you have in mind that's going to solve all the problems of our new or existing "saviour in waiting"? Who has he groomed successfully in the past? What are the features and functions of the candidate he is looking to transform to sublimity? Before you answer this, I would like to talk a little about the QB Coach that Mangini has actually chosen to work with the much maligned players of this impoverished NYJ position. "Brian Daboll Position: Quarterbacks Coach Jets Seasons: 1 NFL Coaching seasons: 8 Age: 32 Daboll joins the Jets after seven seasons with the New England Patriots (2000-06), the last five coaching the Patriots’ wide receivers. He started with the Patriots on the defensive side of the ball after working as a graduate assistant at Michigan State (1998-99)..." A WR coach...? What in the hell was Mangini thinking -- for crying out loud!!! Well, let me see... first of all, with the exception of last year when the Pats had a bunch of FAs catching Brady Balls, and with the possible exception of Deon Branch (I think he was an "MVP" of some game...), there were a lot of nobody WRs that some how got them into pretty good passing stats. So the WR coach had a lot of catching up to do for his brood and so he had to be extraordinarily attentive to who is perhaps the very best QB in the NFL over the last five to seven years. Not a bad apprenticeship, should you care to examine the process over which this position coach co-presided. I would say that Tom Brady, his QB coach, and the WR coach were pretty much joined at the hip for those 5-7 years while they fashioned rapport for TDs with the somewhat nameless WR population they had to work with. Gee, you know, I really think this is a unique point of view on one of the most successful passing combinations we have seen in recent NFL history (catcher to the Nolan Ryan of the NFL...?) Not so bad. So who was your candidate for QB coach, again?
Quote: "...it also is running the 2 minute drill as good as the great QBs,..." I have a comment on the 2 minute drill, by the way. All game long, the OC, the HC, and the QB have been watching what the play calling can do to influence the defense, they have figured out what they need to call to get who open, to get which running play broken out, and so on. The 2 minute drill is the culmination of the entire game plan's review, analysis, and tactical response to the defense. This has nothing to do with the childish notion of a QB who is extemporaneously inventing talent-filled innovative actions that will open up plays that are previously unknown either to the defense or the offense... QBs are comparable to orchestral conductors who follow the script that has been written by this particular game -- whether a particular measure has been written by the defense, or by the OC, or by the HC, or by the QB himself. Successful 2 minute drills are a collaboration, not a mindless invention of some magical instinct -- ask Joe Montana, ask Brett Favre, and ask Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Be sensible. Don't you remember this is a team game?
Quote: "...Explain the logic of giving Chad another shot ..." I think this is an interesting problem for our skill player bigots. "How can the CS possibly disagree with the evidence before our very eyes?" Well, first of all, because the CS might know what CP was trying to do, and what the OL was supposed to do, and what the diminished opportunities of the WRs actually became, then the rationale for success was something far different than was intended. The CS is asking a QB to go out there and execute their "well-laid plans", regardless of his physical situation, on the chance that EVERYBODY on the offense might actually do his job RIGHT. Notice, that nobody on that offense blames each other for a bad play -- the reason is that they know all too well how easy it is to slip or or get defeated in the last 5% of your effort against your opponent, or be unable to overcome a chronic weakness that always defeats you on a running play, and aften thwarts a pass, regardless of who you put in there, or what variation the OL is trying to effect THIS TIME. Everybody knows what happened on that team. And Everybody knows that there's only one guy that will get the credit if the play succeeds. And Everybody knows that there's only one guy (not necessary the one with the ball at the end) that will get all the blame if the play fails. These team mates accept the ridiculous irony of their situation as a condition of the game. Of course they don't look at it as the fans do. They know too much they can't discuss because of competitive issues. There's no defense they can mount that is going to satisfy their rabid victory-starved fans. These football players' only recourse is to work harder together to get their rhythm down. It is the rhythm of the play that gives them a chance to integrate their execution so that maybe by god it works the next time. And if they can just get on a roll, then it might continue to work the next time, and then the next time and they have a by-god drive that goes to the house. See teammates don't look for someone to blame and sacrifice. Teammates look for the next play to try and get it right. Fans?
Quote: "...The first thing I would do is tell Chad ... Fourthandlong, you want to be the head coach! You would like to fire and supplant Mangini...! Now I understand.
This was one of the best posts yet. Im sure the Cp supporters will come back with some fictitious scenario where the Rudy-(CHAD) can beat any combination of the Patriots, Jaguars, Chargers, Steelers, Colts, Steelers, Browns and the other sleeper team of 08 three games in a row to get to the superbowl. Im sure Eli Manning will be their shinning example. This was very well written.
This post seems a little feverish, so I don't really know what you mean. I was only surmising what this much maligned CS for the NYJ might have had in mind with Brian Daboll.... But this arch condemnation of Daboll because he might have to work with Chad and Kellen is not intelligible. Perhaps you can find a more cogent way to explain your anger with Mangini and staff...?
If Jerry Rice, Michael Earvin, Chris Carter or one of the great Receivers of the game were on the Jets they would have throw Chad under ten buses by now!
Now, we all know that the most artful collaborations always leave room for the actor's point-of-attack discretion. One of the best examples of this is when Chad comes to the line, notices a lot of people not set, and goes on a quick count. Either the play is completed, or there's an automatic offsides or 12 men on the field penalty. Remember that game of the Jets against the Colts, when Payton just bowed and shook his head in feckless anger because the "sugar huddle" was decimating his DL's composure, and creating one penalty after another...? Calm your hatred of the QB failures and take a look at the possibilities here.
No, I just want to tell CHAD AKA (KEEPCHAD&KELLEN) That the time for watching your wounded duck passes has come to an end! You have to be Chad Pennington using a secret alias because I have never seen medicoraty defended to the point of insanity before.
Quote: "...If Jerry Rice, Michael Earvin, Chris Carter or one of the great Receivers of the game were on the Jets they would have throw Chad under ten buses by now!..." I think you should find and e-mail them to verify your prejudices on this topic. It would be very interesting to see their responses. Don't get overwrought because of Chad's lack of success and Kellen's lack of experience. They will do fine when given the chance. Have a bit of faith in the NYJ CS.
Look, you can get angry at whomever you choose. I don't mind. It's just that we all have the right to examine your points in the light of day. And I don't think they warrant silence.
How old are you? Jerry Rice and Earvin were two of the most whinning b**ches in Football History! If Rice was not getting the ball he was pure he**. You think he would accept Chad as a Qb? He would scream like h**l at Steve Young.
Your absolutely right. We can continue this tomorrow. I letting you know Im logging off so I wont be falsly accused of bailing out of a topic.
Then why is it difficult for Jet QBs to run it and not Joe Montana, Brett Farve, Manning, Brady, and even matt hasslebeck? Ask any coach in the NFL-- the 2 minute drill is all about the QB. You're the only person i've ever conversed with who thinks this way... granted that has some admiration, but at the same time it concerns me because your the only one who thinks this way. I know this is a team game, but someone has to lead the team and step up when it counts---i want my QB to do that.
